Meanwhile, The Republican War On Women Continues

"Universal Polling overwhelmingly favors a woman's right to choose"

 

Pj is wrong again.

 

The new polling data from Marist University shows one of the biggest pro-life shifts in history. Americans moved towards the pro-life direction on abortion by a 17% margin in one month after Democrats defending allowing babies to die in infanticide and legalized abortions up to birth in the state of New York.

In a substantial, double-digit shift, according to the poll, Americans are now as likely to identify as pro-life (47 percent) as pro-choice (47 percent).

More polls

 

You.Gov partnered with Americans United for Life (AUL) to survey 1,145 American adults about their attitudes toward abortion. The survey took place on February 6 and 7.

 

- Most Americans reject abortion the day before a child is born (80 percent), abortion in the third trimester (79 percent), and removing medical care for a viable child after birth (82 percent).

 

Factual information about fetal development and the heartbeat of a preborn child can affect how Americans react to and vote on abortion, according to a new Rasmussen poll. “When told that a fetal heartbeat can be detected as early as six weeks into a pregnancy, 56% of voters favor a proposal that would make abortion illegal at any point after such a heartbeat has been detected,” says pollster Scott Rasmussen.

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Abortion has never been an issue I vote on....but strictly from a political perspective the worst thing for Republicans would be to overturn Roe-V-Wade (or completely circumvent it as in this Alabama bill).     

 

Universal Polling overwhelmingly favors a woman's right to choose but the oppositte positon is a big get-out-the-vote operation of the Republican base.   If this bill prevails it gives a massive incentive for the former group who might have otherwise stayed home or based their vote on another issue.   

 

Sometimes you need bills like this to wake up the center.    I'm curious to see if the governor will sign it.    


PJ, when does a baby become a human?

Great question, isn't it?  Really.

 

I'm thinking somewhere between fertilization  and the day its born.   I would prefer scientists tell us instead of know-nothing religious cultists.   

 

I can understand the thoughful argument against  7 month abortions ...I struggle alot more with the argument against the day after pill.    The thoughtful debate would be where to draw the line in between instead of staking out extremist positions on either side.   

 

Also, I'm not a woman....nor do I have a daughter.  So maybe its an issue where the people who fit that description should be allowed to have louder voices on the topic.

 

 

 

 

Edited on May 15, 2019 4:55pm
Originally posted by: tom

"Universal Polling overwhelmingly favors a woman's right to choose"

 

Pj is wrong again.

 

The new polling data from Marist University shows one of the biggest pro-life shifts in history. Americans moved towards the pro-life direction on abortion by a 17% margin in one month after Democrats defending allowing babies to die in infanticide and legalized abortions up to birth in the state of New York.

In a substantial, double-digit shift, according to the poll, Americans are now as likely to identify as pro-life (47 percent) as pro-choice (47 percent).

More polls

 

You.Gov partnered with Americans United for Life (AUL) to survey 1,145 American adults about their attitudes toward abortion. The survey took place on February 6 and 7.

 

- Most Americans reject abortion the day before a child is born (80 percent), abortion in the third trimester (79 percent), and removing medical care for a viable child after birth (82 percent).

 

Factual information about fetal development and the heartbeat of a preborn child can affect how Americans react to and vote on abortion, according to a new Rasmussen poll. “When told that a fetal heartbeat can be detected as early as six weeks into a pregnancy, 56% of voters favor a proposal that would make abortion illegal at any point after such a heartbeat has been detected,” says pollster Scott Rasmussen.


Thats right Tom....I would be against a law that allowed aborting babies the day before birth too.      That would be an extremeist position to the left.     But even in regards to that specific extremist  bill people are evenly split.

 

The general polls of pro-choice vs pro-life are overwhelimng in favor of the former....and thats a big probelm for Republicans if they circumvent Roe-v-Wade....and it looks like Alabama just did.      Stay tuned

 


Boiler said, PJ, when does a baby become a human?

 

That is the relevant question, isn't it? Today, old white male Republicans passed the above-mentioned Alabama law attempting to answer that.  That law says the moment an egg is fertilized it becomes a human. When it was pointed out to these American Mullahs that every fertilized egg at a fertility clinic would be a human under that definition, they twisted, turned and otherwise contorted like Don Diego did when he tried to define Socialism.  Then, they went back to the bill and added language that said still at fertilization but only when it is inside a woman's body.  So, in other words, you could burn down a fertility clinic that housed thousands of fertilized eggs and it not be abortion but the moment that dropper begins to penetrate a vagina magically you have a full-blown living human being.

 

What is funny is that all through this debate when corned by the media or women they would emphasize they weren't women's health experts and didn't understand medically how a woman's reproductive system works. Yet, they regulated it anyway. 

 

 

Edited on May 15, 2019 5:26pm
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Great question, isn't it?  Really.

 

I'm thinking somewhere between fertilization  and the day its born.   I would prefer scientists tell us instead of know-nothing religious cultists.   

 

I can understand the thoughful argument against  7 month abortions ...I struggle alot more with the argument against the day after pill.    The thoughtful debate would be where to draw the line in between instead of staking out extremist positions on either side.   

 

Also, I'm not a woman....nor do I have a daughter.  So maybe its an issue where the people who fit that description should be allowed to have louder voices on the topic.

 

 

 

 


I find it odd that a scientist should decide when a baby is human.  I've heard the argument from people who claim a baby is a person once it can survive outside of the womb.  With technology changes, this changes when a baby becomes a human.  Well, that makes no sense to me.  Technology can not change when a human is created.

"The general polls of pro-choice vs pro-life are overwhelimng in favor of the former"

 

Did you even read my post tht showed the polls are now even?

Originally posted by: Boilerman

I find it odd that a scientist should decide when a baby is human.  I've heard the argument from people who claim a baby is a person once it can survive outside of the womb.  With technology changes, this changes when a baby becomes a human.  Well, that makes no sense to me.  Technology can not change when a human is created.


And neither can the preachings of Jerry Fallwell which is what the Republican definition is.     Our system of laws decided decades ago on this matter.    The new Alabama law is passed in direct violation of it.   The governor who signed confessed that her own law is unenforceable for this very reason.

 

Who cares, right?

 

The first doctor to be arrested under this new law is going to have a slam-dunk case in Federal Court that will have huge consequences for the people who arrest him.

 

Republicans seem to understand the concept of keeping Sharia law out of our government.   They struggle alot more with their own psychotic cult 

 

 

yes - in reagrds to one extremist bill - not the issue in general.   

 

Summary of all polls ...    

 

 Not even Southern evangelicals believe abortion should be illegal in the context of the Alabama law.   But I encourage you to belive otherwise.  Good luck with that.

 

    Its a big winner for Democrats in 2020.

Edited on May 16, 2019 8:28am

PJ, show me an logical argument why a baby is not human one day, but is a human the next day.  The only logical conclusion, albeit inconvenient to the irresponsible, is that the baby is a human the moment of conception.  I still haven't heard a logical argument why a baby is not human on Tuesday, but it is on Wednesday.  What about snuffing them after birth?  Isn't that a choice?

Edited on May 16, 2019 4:47pm
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