Muslims

I am aware of all of those things....and... so what?

DonDiego is warranting specific action be taken against a broad group of people based upon the actions of a few.   DonDiego stated such rhetoric is not constructive earlier in this thread.     And yet he abides by it in a different example.    Perhaps a good moment for reflection.

And FYI - I am also aware of the Oklahoma City bombing and recent terror planning by an alt-right extremist group this week.   But I do not think people with MAGA hats warrant extra screening at the airport.   Although, I confess I might find that amusing. 

DonDiego cites the evnts of 9/11 as evidence for precaution in admitting Muslims into the US and PJStroh responds: "So what?"

DonDiego opines that PJStroh and DonDiego are unlikely to reach agreement on such matters.

DonDiego cites the evnts of 9/11 as evidence for precaution in admitting Muslims into the US and PJStroh responds: "So what?"     

      PJ's response to Don is all anyone needs to know about PJ.

It is "so what" if you follow DonDiego's rules for ignorant stereotyping.      People who believe "Muslim" is synonymous with "Al Queada" are ascribing the actions of a few to the many - something DonDiego specifically pointed out on this thread was not a constructive exercise and yet he does it in this instance.       And so does David MIller.

But maybe its ok to ignorantly paint with broad brush if it fits your politics?  Hmmm...

If nothing else perhaps you might try being honest with yourselves about not buying into your own rules of discourse..  Clearly you dont.    

The "few" you attribute to muslims are a significant number of them. Hundreds of millions of them support sharia law being the law of the land, no matter where the land. Sharia law is the base for their murderous and barbaric behavior. Their brush is quite broad. Too bad it doesn't fit your politics. 

PJStroh is mistaken.

DonDiego has not equated "Muslim" to "Al Queada".

And DonDiego has not "ascrib(ed) the actions of a few to the many".  He has, however, recognized that in recent history the Muslim population has been over-represented in committing acts of terrorism, . . . and especially acts of terrorism against the citizenry of the United States.  

The only action which poor old DonDiego has recommended is especially careful evaluation of potential Muslim immigrants to the United States, because of this overrepresentation.  And PJStroh and poor old DonDiego have already agreed on this !

Poor old DonDiego is not without faults; but he has not stereotyped a population based upon their religion.  Nonetheless, he does recognize that a, perhaps significant minority within that religion should not be admitted into the United States.

A personal note:

Poor old DonDiego ascribes to no religion.  If upon his death he discovers that he does, in fact, have a soul and finds himself standing before God for judgement, . . . well, he'll be surprised. And DonDiego does not "oppose" any particular religion's beliefs.*  His position on the matter is "live and let live".

Occasionally up heh' in Appalachia a proselytizer will knock on DonDiego's door and engage in conversation pertaining to his or her God and suggesting it would be in DonDiego's interest to, in most cases, "attend church" and "acccept Christ".  DonDiego is not offended, and will engage in any conversation which they'd like. So far such encounters have never degenerated into rants or physical aggression on either side.  To some degree DonDiego envies them their belief, . . . and recognizes they not only mean no harm, but they believe they are doing good.

*Technically, DonDiego does oppose religious beliefs which include damaging others property or injuring non-believers.

I was raised in church.  After graduation I realized my chosen profession would find me working 3 out of 4 weekends.  I found it easy to ascribe to DonDiego's religious preference (none), as it justified my sleeping in on Sundays, no Sunday wardrobe worries, etc.  Later this segued into spending most of most Sundays doing the crossword puzzle from the newspaper.  Sunday puzzles are challenging.  Even after retirement.  Even knowing religious services were available at times other than 11:00 am on Sunday.

Some would call me a church CEO, Christmas and Easter Only.  Not true. 

I was more a WFO, Weddings and Funerals Only.  

Now my own mortality is looming, so, I am back in church, seeking knowledge (Biblical/religious history is quite interesting), gaining weight from all the pot lucks.   Church has changed.  Fancy dress no longer the standard, at least in my church.  Good people to be around, no hell fire and damnation.  My beliefs diverge a little from the discipline on one or two matters.  But more good than bad influences.

As for Muslims and Islam, I am not well educated in the difference, peaceful vs radical, other than I'm pretty sure radical is bad and some raised in homes where peace was the watchword are being radicalized, here and abroad.  And it appears (I have no data) that younger (teen to 20 somethings?) people are more easily attracted to being radicalized.  Why is a mystery to me.  In a perfect world the radicalized would stay away from the USA.  Enjoy their dirt hole bathrooms.  Enjoy being suicide bombers and kill each other.  But it doesn't work that way, I'm pretty sure.   I have Muslim acquaintances who are peace loving, experts in their fields, contribute to the greater good here in the USA.  Like all of humanity, some good, some bad, some horrific.

Candy, your previous comments seem to imply that I believe all Muslims are bad.  I have never and will never hold this belief.  As a group, however, they suck.  As a group, they ruin everything.  They've proven this 100 consecutive times.  Ignoring this record is ridiculous and dangerous.

Know thy enemy. Like leopards, Muslim terrorists do not change spots. Take NO chances, vet them ALL - your and many others lives may depend on vetting. Above all else, remember 9/11 and the murderous actions of Muslim terrorists.

Boilerman, I'm sure you are a great guy.  Your posts are thought provoking.   I may not have the same perspectives as yours, just like you won't always have the same perspectives of everything I post.  This should be OK.  Let us leave it at that.