No more jobs reports

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Well, PJ, you have to realize that stupid angry Charles (and MAGA in general) has to keep pivoting and stumbling and tripping over his own feet to "justify" his orange master's actions and continue to say that he's a stable genius who never makes a mistake.

 

That makes him look like an utter fool on a regular basis. The reality is that there's no sane justification for the Turd's actions.

 

That why Charles is always so defensive and angry. He feels at least a small measure of guilt for licking the boots of a rapist, pedo, crook, con man, felon, and traitor.

 

But pretty soon, the Kool-aid will take full effect,, and SAC will be nothing more than just another slack-jawed Trumper.


Call me angry while calling for President Trump's assassination.  Talk about delusional.

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Im not the one in the straight jacket crying about the Deep State boogeyman in the government.    Thats you and the guy you voted for.   Lets be clear - Trump isnt claiming incompetence - he's crying "rigged" like he did with the election.    Charles sugar coating his words doesnt change that fact.

 

 And   I didnt cheer on DOGE to sabotage the government workforce only to cry about how that workfroce suddenly didnt perform as well.   Thats your comical paradox based upon your chosen ideology.    You have to sleep in the bed you shit in, Charles.

 

I dont really fault the BLS for getting the inital numbers wrong.  The numbers are collected by surveys from companys about what they are doing with their workforce.   I dont know if you were in a coma the last few months but our president farts out a new tariff and trade war on a daily basis.   So maybe that caused some confusion in the private sector HR departments.   Food for thought for people who dont believe in the government boogeymen who "rig" the numbers.


Let's be clear.  I pointed out in my first post that the numbers were not  'rigged'.  I pointed out how the Commissioner was incompetent and the required largest revisions in 50 years were an epic fail.  And then publishing the massive revisions with no explanation was something I wouldn't expect from an economics intern.   Of Course, the Trump deranged PJ won't address my arguments and admit that publishing such bad data was an extreme failure, but instead attacks President Trump...because Trump said it was rigged.  I'm not Trump.   

 

On the other hand, PJ claims these reports have worked for 50 years and there are always adjustments, ignoring the 2024 800,000 downward revision (remind me who was president then), the lack of accuracy for the last 3 years (remind me who was President then), and the 90% inaccuracy in the May and June Reports.  And then out of the other side of his mouth, he blames the horrible reporting on Trump.  Because Tariffs.  Or maybe confusion in the private sector HR departments.or something else he can make up.

 

This isn't rocket science.  We should be able to report employment numbers that are better than a coin flip.  I offered three solutions that would be far better than reporting numbers that were so far removed from reality that no sane person will have any confidence in those initial reports in the future.  We need someone smarter than the previous leader to actually fix the reporting system.  Here were my suggestions in the meantime.

 

Report the initial number after 60 days if you can't get closer than 10% accuracy in 30.   

Make the report Quarterly; at least the first two months will be more accurate. 

Just use the ADP numbers.  Those are real, but don't include the Government.  You'd think the Government would know Government Payrolls. 

 

Here's another one:  there are statistical techniques that allow you to provide confidence percentages with your analysis based on standard deviations and sample size.  If they ran that analysis on the May-June numbers, I think you'd find that those were published with very low confidence.  Post the confidence level with the reported number.

 

Yet the liberals are content to go with the system that "has worked for 50 years".  Hold no one accountable (except Trump) and just pump more money into the bureaucracy....This always works except when it doesn't.

Originally posted by: Mark

Trump owned himself. His economic policies started a recession but rather deal with that and make a adjustments to his policies like every other President would he decides the way to fix the problem he created is to not publish the numbers that show how bad things are. 


Eh..3% GDP growth is not a recession.  You need to go back to Econ 1.

Originally posted by: Mark

Charles got owned with his own words referring to the jobs report as the gold standard. 


It used to be.  Until it wasn't.  If you don't adjust your methods when you start publishing bad data, then the Gold Standard becomes the Shit Standard.  I'm afraid that's where we're at.


Its not a secret that corporate America has had trouble since April trying to make heads or tails out of their forecasting due to Trump's day-to-day tariff and trade policy.   We havent had that ...ever....let alone the last 50 years.   

 

Charles is struggling to understand how that might make companies change their survey numbers between months.      I cant help him with that.

 

Swapping out the head BLS chief with an election denier wont change how those numbers are gathered.   It might change how those numbers are published.    We saw what William Barr did with the Mueller report.....dont be surprised to see this dipshit do something similar with the Jobs numbers.    Nobody has presented a different way of gathering the data.   The only proposal was to change the person who signs off on the numbers.   The new guy was present at the Capital on Jan 6.  That should tell you alot - at least if you arent an election denier too.

 

 

Edited on Aug 14, 2025 9:29am
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Its not a secret that corporate America has had trouble since April trying to make heads or tails out of their forecasting due to Trump's day-to-day tariff and trade policy.   We havent had that ...ever....let alone the last 50 years.   

 

Charles is struggling to understand how that might make companies change their survey numbers between months.      I cant help him with that.

 

Swapping out the head BLS chief with an election denier wont change how those numbers are gathered.   It might change how those numbers are published.    We saw what William Barr did with the Mueller report.....dont be surprised to see this dipshit do something similar with the Jobs numbers.    Nobody has presented a different way of gathering the data.   The only proposal was to change the person who signs off on the numbers.   The new guy was present at the Capital on Jan 6.  That should tell you alot - at least if you arent an election denier too.

 

 


  Once again, PJ refuses to accept the reality of what has happened to the accounting of the numbers and who did the miscounting. He is stuck on stupid.

If the data collection is bad then the process needs to be changed. 

in this day and age crossing numbers out on a piece of paper & writing in new numbers & mailing it in is a bad business practice. 

Then taking those numbers and making seat of the pants adjustments is no better. Then a month later make a magic adjustment. 

The process is flawed and needs to be fixed. If we have to wait 60 days to get better numbers so be it 

Originally posted by: CharlesII

It used to be.  Until it wasn't.  If you don't adjust your methods when you start publishing bad data, then the Gold Standard becomes the Shit Standard.  I'm afraid that's where we're at.


And what changed it from "was" to "wasn't" was that Trump didn't like it. And because he's your master, you're scrambling to defend him.

 

Look, stupid angry Charles, we get it. You're Trump's love-slave. Your posts are long but your thinking is simple.

 

Trump didn't call for "adjustments" until the numbers made him look bad. Tell us that was just a coincidence.

Originally posted by: tom

If the data collection is bad then the process needs to be changed. 

in this day and age crossing numbers out on a piece of paper & writing in new numbers & mailing it in is a bad business practice. 

Then taking those numbers and making seat of the pants adjustments is no better. Then a month later make a magic adjustment. 

The process is flawed and needs to be fixed. If we have to wait 60 days to get better numbers so be it 


The process is "flawed," all of a sudden, because it puts the lie to Trump's bragging about the economy and makes him look bad.

 

Or perhaps you can tell us what it is about the data collection process that's wrong all of a sudden. Trump didn't bellow about it before. Why now? Hmmm!

 

Stupid Tom.

Originally posted by: tom

If the data collection is bad then the process needs to be changed. 

in this day and age crossing numbers out on a piece of paper & writing in new numbers & mailing it in is a bad business practice. 

Then taking those numbers and making seat of the pants adjustments is no better. Then a month later make a magic adjustment. 

The process is flawed and needs to be fixed. If we have to wait 60 days to get better numbers so be it 


The process is "flawed," all of a sudden, because it puts the lie to Trump's bragging about the economy and makes him look bad.

 

Or perhaps you can tell us what it is about the data collection process that's wrong all of a sudden. Trump didn't bellow about it before. Why now? Hmmm!

 

Stupid Tom.

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