An Obvious Trend

 It is readily apparent that the resident lying liberals who post here have a narrow focus.  I acknowledge the fact that it is not required by anyone here to view and/or comment on my postings - but I do believe that many do view them. The one glaring fact is that these liberal liars seldom post any comments about my posts because they have no factual, sane, logical reasons to dispute the truth of what I post - they just continue on with their hate Trump rhetoric. They would rather and do cite deceitful, lying articles written by ultra liberal rags, while ignoring reality. I get bashed for posting my posts - but these liars never give truthful reasons why my postings are not true - this is typical liberal behavior. To those who do view what I post, I hope that you are able to see what I see - America being destroyed by brain dead Bidens socialistic liberal DemocRatic party. 

David, I'm going to try and get you to reflect on the truth of the 2020 election. In Arizona Karen Fann, the president of the senate, hired Cyber Ninjas to audit the Arizona election. She chose this Florida internet security company because David Logan, the ceo, openly propagated the 2020 election fraud conspiracy theory. He and his company had never audited an election. What they found was there were more votes for Biden than he was initially given and less votes for Trump than he was given. They tried to say that 200 + dead people had voted. Mark Brnovich, the republican attorney general of Arizona, found that only one of those ballots was fraudulant. That one was a republican woman that filled out her dead mother's ballot and submitted it.

Now think about the claim of tens of thousands of votes being dumped in the middle of the night. Those are paper ballots that would be in excess of the legitimate ballots. All the ballots that were audited were run against the voter registry. Only that single instance, by a republican nonetheless, was cast fraudulently. If there had been tens of thousands of ballots fraudulently brought in during the early morning hours, Cyber Ninjas would have found them to be in excess of the voter registry. That would hold true for Georgia and any other state. There were eight states lined up to get Cyber Ninjas to audit their election before the results were announced for Arizona. After the audit findings were released, they all went away. Why did they not persue an audit by Cyber Ninjas or any other company? Hopefully, you now understand that there couldn't be tens of thousands of fraudulent ballots without there being that many over the voter registry. In Arizona there was only one ballot not on the voter registry. One other thing. Cyber Ninjas refused to give the ballots back to Arizona. Arizona had to go to court in order to get them back. Was there going to be an attempt by Cyber Ninjas to commit fraud somehow?

 Let's say that everything you say is 100% correct. I have no way, as do you, to determine what truly happened - and there is nothing that can be done to change the fact that Biden is in the White House. My postings pertain to what has happened and is happening to America since the election. I do not know what your policical affiliation is, all I know is what has transpired from the first day Biden took office and what continues to this day. The Biden administration has placed America where it is today. The list of negatives we all know, we currently live with them daily. Judging by your "PackerBackerAZ" moniker, I believe you live in Arizona. You live and see what is happening on your southern border. Everytime you go grocery shopping, get gas, pay your rent (if you rent), you personally deal with the results of Biden's policies. What I do know is that during President Trumps time in office, America was energy independant, unemployment was at an all time low for Blacks and Hispanics, America had the greatest economy on record, the southern border was under control, America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections. Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration. The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century. Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings. More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million. Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low. The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record. Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades. In lieu of all that President Trump and his administration accomplished I still find it incredible that millions of voters actually believed the media and DemocRat lies and voted for Biden. Now, look at where America finds itself and at who has been in charge in just the past 20 months. 

David,

I'm a registered independent and believe that Biden has been a bad president. I don't really believe that he is in control of the administration since he appears to be in mental decline. Trump lost the election simply because the independent women that voted for him in 2016 didn't in 2020. That was because of his stance on covid-19. Had he taken a more serious approach to the pandemic, he would have easily won reelection. He lost my vote and my wife's because of it. Now with the extremely dangerous false claim of election fraud still being touted by him, we won't vote for him again if he is able to run. The Trumpers in this country are calling for death to police officers, especially the FBI, and are even including their families. Trump, to his credit has said that there needs to be a cooling down of this rhetoric before something really bad happens. Who knows, maybe he can act like a responsible leader and change our minds. If Biden or Harris is the democratic nominee, we don't know if we'll vote for a pesidential candidate. The two party system is failing America. I would like to see an independent party formed. Maybe the moderates of both parties would defect.

 I am curious, just what about his approach to the pandemic did you consider that he was not serious about? Why do you consider his claim that there was election fraud as being extremely dangerous? 

After Trump initiated warp speed he was in denial of the pandemic. All he could see was that the economy wasn't the same as it was before. He desperately wanted the economy to come back immediately even though people were getting covid at an alarming rate. He seemed to believe that if the economy didn't come back the way it was it would do harm to him. Trump wanted to do away with all the cdc guidelines in order to get the economy up and running the way it had been. How many would have died had that happened? He didn't seem to realize that people wouldn't blame the economic downturn on him. It's almost as though he believed only the economy to be his legacy and nothing else.

Look at January 6 2021 as an example of danger to America with the false conspiricy theory of election fraud. Trump continues to say it and people that want to believe it are willing to resort to violence because of it. The Mara Lago search warrant rhetoric is just an extension of stop the steal. His followers see that as an attempt to keep him off the ballot in 2024 and want to kill people over it.

 I see. Question- after doing all that he knew to do at the time when dealing with the pandemic, and getting the vaccine(s) produced and relying on those who were giving him and America advice how to deal with a never before seen worldwide calamity, what else do you think he could have done to end the pandemic? -  He knew that if the ecomony continued to tank that America would suffer greately, he made Americans aware that the economy could not stay stagnant. Saying that this would harm him and that is why he wanted to do away with CDC guidelines I can not agree with. This was more the media showing their hatred for him, as they did since the first day he won the election and continues to this day. Sure, he wanted the economy to revert back to where it was pre pandemic- so when should he have made it a priority? You know, this pandemic came out of nowhere and has affected the whole world, and still does. There were no guidelines on how to deal with it, anywhere in the world. Every nation was trying how to stop the pandemic, without much success. Trump pushed for and got vaccines developed in a manner (time wise) that others thought impossible and as a result many millions of people, here and worldwide, are alive today. His next step was to not only to recognize the devastating effect that shutting down the economy would do to America, he took the next step in tying to rejuvinate the economy. Many other countries did the same by not shutting down their economies.- Now, to the election denial. He knew what would happen to America if the DemocRats took control if he lost. There are multitides of videos pre election where he warned America as to what would (and has) transpired to America if the DemocRats won. At midnight on election night, President Trump was sitting on 285+ electorial votes with only the swing states vote counts not concluded - then in the next 6-8 hours an influx of votes suddenly appeared, pushing Biden in the lead and giving him the election. This is where the cause for saying the election was false came from. With Trump having to accept the swing in votes and knowing what would happen to America, I understand his denial - whether correct or not. Where America sits today is testament to the fact that he was correct as to what would happen. Now America sits in a recession and all the DemocRats focus on is bankrupting America with unnecessary trillion dollar spending bills. Apparently everything he did to make America great, pre pandemic, has been forgotten - and here we are today, 20 months later with an America that does not resemble the America we knew and prospered in before Biden took over.

Just leaving this out there.....

Trump was not a leader. He was a self-obsessed narcissist. His handling of the pandemic was EXCLUSIVELY about how it would hurt or benefit his election chances. He did some things right initially, but his later denial campaign, not to put too fine a point on it, drastically harmed efforts to slow the spread of the virus and killed thousands of people.

And he lost the election. Period. His efforts to alter the outcome, however extensive they turn out to have been, were beyond reprehensible and yes, were treasonous.

Now, the man was a total jerkass and completely unqualified and incompetent to boot. But I think his legacy will be defined by the two things I listed, not anything else.

And David can scream at me and call me a liar and pontificate about how liberals are destroying the country all he wants. The fact remains that Trump is a horrible man and was a horrible President. I find it inexplicable that his cult remains so numerous.

  You can scream this lie all you want to - everyone knows the truth. Lewis, you are the Liz Cheney of this Forum.