Omnibus Trump conquest plans thread

We've heard for some time the Turd's babble about annexing Canada, conquering Mexico, taking over Greenland (particularly recently), and of course conquering and looting Venezuela. He seems to be amping it up, though. He just babbled his intention to steal Venezuela's oil and keep all the profits for himself. He also has returned to his Greenland fantasy.

What's really worrisome, though, is that he just seized a Russian-flagged oil tanker. I can see this spiraling out of control very easily.

Your thoughts on this Dear Leader's Imperial Conquest Plan? Does he have any right to seize the territory and resources of other nations?

I must admit I'm looking forward to Millerscum, stupid Tom, Boilerboob, and Iggo trying to justify their orange master's attempt to become Hitler Lite. Tell us, boys, why Mein Trumpf can lawfully conquer other nations without a Congressional declaration of war.

I am in support of seizing the Russian oil tanker if it was authorized by the various sanctions that Congress and the UN placed. 

I believe the agreement we made with Ukraine in 1994 compels us to do anything we can to help them repel an invasion. Seizing assets from the invader would qualify. 

It wasn't seized because it was a Russian asset. It was seized because it carried Venezuelan oil. Neither Congress nor the UN have authorized such an action.

And if we're going to go to war with Russia...well, hopefully you have a plan to get out of the blast zone in the ten or fifteen minutes you'll have when the sirens sound.

I think we are in a really tough situation. We have a moral and legal obligation to honor our agreements made in 1994. We also have a moral and legal obligation to avoid escalation to nuclear warfare. It's a really hard balancing act. 

This war was started by Russia in 2014. The US is now tasked with the difficult situation of having to figure out how to both honor our 1994 agreement and avoid direct war with russia. It's a really tough problem to which I don't think I have an answer. All I can do is pray that cooler heads prevail eventually and peace returns to the region. 

I pray it doesn't go there but I think Russia knows that though there will be no "winners" if the US and Russia have a nuclear war Russia would be worse off. Among other things, our population is spread out much more than thiers is. 

Your last statement...the opposite is true, actually. I know because I've seen the old Cold War "contingency plans" that have been declassified. Turns out that in 1985, at least (the beginning of the Reagan-Gorbachov bromance), a nuclear exchange that would wipe out each country's 50 largest cities would leave 20 percent of their population alive but only 10 percent of ours.

But since that is still MAD (neither remaining population would survive for long), it still means that it would be irrational for either side to start a nuclear war.

But is Trump rational? What if his doctor tells him that he's dying and he decides to take the whole world with him? I think such possibilities are something to worry about.

My understanding was that more of their government and military infrastructure is concentrated in a few large cities. Ours is more spread out. However I admittedly have no idea what I'm talking about here and am just trying to remember what I heard some "expert" talk about a while back. 

Either way it's a horrifying thing to think about and I really hope it doesn't come to that. Hopefully everyone's desire of self-preservation demand that cooler heads prevail. 

What you say about concentration vs. dispersal is true, as far as I'm aware. But that's relatively small potatoes compared to their weakness of having all authority concentrated in one place and in the hands of one man. A strike on Moscow would absolutely cripple Russia's ability to wage war. That's why what missile defenses they do have are heavily concentrated around Moscow. I believe the last SALT treaty allowed that, though we haven't built missile defenses around DC.

I am genuinely worried that Trump has his finger on the nuclear trigger, given that he spends virtually every waking hour thinking about "retribution."

I think we need to speed up the timetable on that moon colony. Might be all that's left in a few years.

So, we've seized a Russian flagged vessel, we've invaded Venezuela and we've made enough threats to Greenland to alarm NATO.  Our Constitutional system of checks and balances has essentially been destroyed, and all we ever hear from our President is hate and retribution.  What could go wrong?

You know, it's not even all that that bothers me so much as the silent acquiescence and/or outright enthusiastic support from MAGA for those actions. When I was younger, I couldn't have imagined that asshole being elected or his abuse of his office being tolerated.

We can maybe excuse ourselves for not fully understanding what we were getting in 2016. But dear God, by 2024, we should have known better. And the Democrats didn't realize how many Americans would go Trump because they would never, ever vote for a WOOMUN.

The Democrat party establishment really hosed themselves in 2016. They pulled a lot of shadey tactics to block Sanders in the primary. 

In 2024 they should have asked Biden to announce that he wasn't running. Then whether or not he chose to step down they should have held a primary. When he finally accepted that he couldn't run again it was pretty late. I really don't think Harris was the right pick at that time. Probably should have attempted to hold a primary or gone with Bernie. 

As a thought exercise I think it would have been interesting if they countered the "businessman" with another businessman. Maybe Warren Buffett or Mark Cuban. The former is probably too old though. It would have been a real attention grabber. Probably would have taken a lot of media from Trump. I think a big part of why Trump won in 2024 was media attention and name recognition.