On MLK day...

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

But with any crime the burden of proof is on the government not on the accused. 

 

Should everyone be required to produce said paperwork on demand? Should federal agents be able to stop YOU randomly and demand  you prove citizenship? Do you carry your passport on you at all times? Is that what we are accepting now in our country? Papers please?


Well, David admires Hitler...so he should enjoy living in a fascist state where 'Papieren, bitte" is a constant refrain and you can be dragged away for not having ID.

 

It is abhorrent of David to wrongfully state that people here illegally have no rights. Shame on him. He's not a real American if he doesn't believe in the Bill of Rights. Of course, his orange master doesn't, either.

In our state they have DUI checks where they stop everyone and ask for ID and proof of insurance. And in recent years they also do this for seatbelts  Seems to be legal and I think they get fed. money to conduct these checks for our papers.

This was copied and pasted from Congress.gov regarding Aliens (immigrants), not the little green men from space, in the United States. 

 

"Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.3 The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.4 Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.5 Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.6"

 

 

Just helping out. 

 

Originally posted by: Brent Kline

In our state they have DUI checks where they stop everyone and ask for ID and proof of insurance. And in recent years they also do this for seatbelts  Seems to be legal and I think they get fed. money to conduct these checks for our papers.


You have to have liability insurance and proof thereof in the car to be driving--and you must be the person named on the policy. Only by checking your ID can they determine that.

 

This contrasts with a person just suspected of Existing While Brown. He's walking down the street and the cops have no reason to demand his ID.

 

The key concept is "implied consent." By driving on a public road, you give your implied consent to ID requests by law enforcement.


Originally posted by: Edso

This was copied and pasted from Congress.gov regarding Aliens (immigrants), not the little green men from space, in the United States. 

 

"Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.3 The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.4 Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.5 Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.6"

 

 

Just helping out. 

 


What is this radical liberal liberal radical nonsense suggesting that ILLEGULS are people?? The heck you say!

Originally posted by: Edso

This was copied and pasted from Congress.gov regarding Aliens (immigrants), not the little green men from space, in the United States. 

 

"Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.3 The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.4 Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.5 Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.6"

 

 

Just helping out. 

 


Yes. The court has ruled several times that immigrants, even those that aren't here legally have due process and equal protection rights. 

 

Please note: The following was copied from Google AI and I only verified a few of the cases on the list. 

 

Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886): Established that constitutional protections apply to everyone within U.S. jurisdiction, regardless of race or nationality, setting a broad foundation for immigrant rights.

 

United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898): Affirmed that birthright citizenship and due process apply to those born in the U.S., even of Chinese descent, impacting future rights.

 

Bridges v. Wixon (1945): Ruled that deportation proceedings must adhere to due process norms.

 

Plyler v. Doe (1982): Protected undocumented children's right to public education, reiterating that the Fourteenth Amendment applies to "all persons" within the territorial jurisdiction.

 

Zadvydas v. Davis (2001): Confirmed the Due Process Clause applies to all "persons" in the U.S., including those present unlawfully, and limited indefinite detention without periodic review.

 

 

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