Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
...........How much trouble would I be in if stopped and no DL? I don't want to find out.......
You would likely receive a small fine. If you choose to go to court and show your driver's license the fine would probably be waved.
Originally posted by: Brent Kline
In our state they have DUI checks where they stop everyone and ask for ID and proof of insurance. And in recent years they also do this for seatbelts Seems to be legal and I think they get fed. money to conduct these checks for our papers.
The Supreme Court ruled these kinds of stops are legal, based on certain criteria.
This is from AI:
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
Were I an immigrant during this time of concern, I would carry whatever it is that gives me legallity to go about. I wouldn't "leave home without it."
We are mandated to have our DLs on us while driving. Can't produce it if stopped? Expect trouble.
Hunters are mandated to have their hunting/fishing/whatever license is on their person. Not at home; not "in my truck". Can't produce it if asked? Expect trouble. Fines, possible loss of privilege for a year or more.
I concede that a 'green card' or whatever document may have been issued years ago. Maybe it is a stack of papers. Purses/billfolds change, I get it.
But I panic if for some reason I don't have my DL when setting out to drive, and nothing, nothing comes first before I locate. If necessary I'd go to the RO and get a new one before doing anything else. If on a weekend, or holiday, I'd cancel any non-emergency plans and stay home until.
But that's just me. I've been told I'm 'possessed'. LOL.
How much trouble would I be in if stopped and no DL? I don't want to find out.
I suspect (and somewhat sympathize) with those who can't fine/have misplaced their documentation. Have they forgotten how critical it is? Maybe wasn't considered an issue years ago. Responsibility. Accountability. That's all. Otherwise, expect trouble.
Candy
I agree with you that right now it would be wise for people to keep evidence of their immigration status with them.
I would ask you to consider that if we say that a government agent can demand an immigrant show papers at any time. We are then faced with the tough question of how does an agent determine if one is an immigrant?
Can a government agent demand proof from anybody on the street? Or only people who "look" or "sound" like an immigrant? Should citizens carry their passport or birth certificates with them?
If someone with a heavy accent claims to be a citizen but doesn't have a passport with them what should happen?
Originally posted by: MaxFlavor
The Supreme Court ruled these kinds of stops are legal, based on certain criteria.
This is from AI:
Key Requirements for LegalityNeutrality:Must use neutral criteria (e.g., stop every car, or one car every N cars) rather than targeting specific drivers.Limited Intrusion:Stops must be brief, and officers can't search vehicles without further cause (like smelling alcohol or seeing slurred speech).Reasonable Location & Safety:Checkpoints must be in a reasonable, safe location with proper signage and officer discretion limited by a plan.There is also a big difference between requiring a driver's license from someone operating a motor vehicle and demanding proof of citizenship.
Hi Max. There is also another situation when it is important to possess documents. Someone who is in the country illegally for, at least, 2 years and 6 months needs to have some sort of document that can show continueous presence for that period of time. They are generally entitled to due process and not subject to expedited removal. Take care and enjoy Black Hawk.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
You don't have to imagine it. Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Mao's China, etc. etc...the police had the power to stop anyone and demand their papers. And if you didn't have them, you could be arrested on the spot.
As far as us radical liberal liberal radicals in the great green state of Oregon are concerned, stop-and-check-everybody is quite rare; you usually see it during times when there might be drunk drivers, like late on a Saturday night. The law is that if you're operating a motor vehicle on a public road, you're giving consent to being stopped by a police officer--not even necessarily for cause--and he has the right to request your license and insurance. Failure to produce either can lead to a ticket, which can be canceled if you email proof to the court that you do have them.
I don't view that as the Deep State conspiring to sap our precious bodily fluids.
Stop with your NAZI Germany nosense - in case you haven't figured it out yet, this is 2026 and not Germany.
Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW
You would likely receive a small fine. If you choose to go to court and show your driver's license the fine would probably be waved.
There is no comparison with having a driver's license and proper verification of legal status - apples and oranges.
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
Were I an immigrant during this time of concern, I would carry whatever it is that gives me legallity to go about. I wouldn't "leave home without it."
We are mandated to have our DLs on us while driving. Can't produce it if stopped? Expect trouble.
Hunters are mandated to have their hunting/fishing/whatever license is on their person. Not at home; not "in my truck". Can't produce it if asked? Expect trouble. Fines, possible loss of privilege for a year or more.
I concede that a 'green card' or whatever document may have been issued years ago. Maybe it is a stack of papers. Purses/billfolds change, I get it.
But I panic if for some reason I don't have my DL when setting out to drive, and nothing, nothing comes first before I locate. If necessary I'd go to the RO and get a new one before doing anything else. If on a weekend, or holiday, I'd cancel any non-emergency plans and stay home until.
But that's just me. I've been told I'm 'possessed'. LOL.
How much trouble would I be in if stopped and no DL? I don't want to find out.
I suspect (and somewhat sympathize) with those who can't fine/have misplaced their documentation. Have they forgotten how critical it is? Maybe wasn't considered an issue years ago. Responsibility. Accountability. That's all. Otherwise, expect trouble.
Candy
How much trouble would you be in? Not very much.
First of all, in most states, the officer who stops you can call his local office and they can determine, based on the info you give him (name, DoB, address), whether you have a valid license. This will only work if you're in your home state when you're pulled over.
The officer doesn't have to take your word for it if you have no other picture ID, since all he can determine is that SOMEBODY holds a DL as you describe. And if you're out of state--usually no way for him to check.
So what then? He either lets you go on your own recognizance or he writes you a "fix it ticket." Like you might get if you get pulled over for a busted taillight. You fix whatever it is, submit proof to the court, and the case is dismissed. No fine, no points.
I did in fact get "caught" when my renewed DL got lost in the mail and I couldn't postpone my drive to Vegas. Got pulled over in Beatty for doing 30 in a 25 zone (every little town in Nevada is a speed trap). The license I was carrying was expired. I told the officer that I had renewed it but I hadn't received the new one yet. He let me off on the speeding with a warning but wrote me a fix it ticket for the license. I had thirty days to send proof to the court. When I got home, the new license was in my mail, and I took a pic and sent it to the court. Case dismissed.
Originally posted by: David Miller
There is no comparison with having a driver's license and proper verification of legal status - apples and oranges.
I made no such comparison in my post. She asked what would happen if she didn't have a driver's license and I answered her question.
Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW
I made no such comparison in my post. She asked what would happen if she didn't have a driver's license and I answered her question.
You are absolutely correct - I mistakenly attributed a comment made by Candy to you. My apologies.
Originally posted by: David Miller
You are absolutely correct - I mistakenly attributed a comment made by Candy to you. My apologies.
No problem. Thank you for the correction.
