The party of Ronny Raygun refuses to fund our nation's defense

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

You blame all on my side..I blame all sides for these revenue generation / spending issues. Both sides have relentlessly overspent in a wasteful fashion.The numbers are what they are and they're provable. The reelection shenanigans are one root cause of that overspending, which is a long-standing subset of power retention for both / all sides. If truth be known, PACS and SUPERPACS have possibly both directly and indirectly inflicted as much harm on the populace as other more recognized and so called nefarious issues/ influences. Unfortunately, that is the reelection system we're forced to live with and is now so engrained that it can't be overridden in the foreseeable future. I blame both sides and in part these reelection system influences for the debt depth which is partially fueled by additive govt waste, overspending, and an overgrown institutional bureaucracy. Those are all archaic conservative points of view possibly from the late 1700's..but that's my partial take on it all and it won't change. So, jump on your own bandwagon and rein your own team of horses. These involved appropriation bill politicians just can't take themselves down a few notches and shut the hell up, and many of the private negotiations involve solutions/ actions that rival the old La Cosa Nostra. Both sides of the aisle are guilty, too. You'll never convince me otherwise.

 

In spite of all the above BS, I'm not moving to Canada,  Equatorial Guinea, or Tishomingo, OK. I'm  convinced that this country can still work somehow... which may be foolishly delusional. In the mean time, we have football season as an enjoyable distraction from these incessant political hoorahs.

 

Cowboys 35 / Cardinals 17 


Yes, I blame your side, for stonewalling and touting intransigence as some kind of bizarre virtue. I blame your politicians for agitating against things that benefit their own constituents, such as roads and medical care, JUST BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WANT THEM.

 

The RepubliQ are the most rabidly, irrationally hyperpartisan gang in American history. The silver lining is that it's self-destructive behavior.

 

And BTW, one man's wasteful spending is another man's essential spending. This is where Tom scurries over to the interblab to find a "source" detailing the gummint's purchase of 100,000 gold-plated toilet plungers, or something else he's prepared to believe.

The GOP spent months debating gas stoves and prairie chicken, and now has only a week to avoid a shutdown. 

You guys claim nobility for your ilk and that their concerns are always  centered around improvement of everyday lives for citizens. When you engage in that, you leave no space for them to screw up..as if they're a virtuous band of angels with no self-interest or self-enrichment issues in mind at all. That's just not true. Menendez is just one recent example. You guys have a tendency to put halos on their heads..all that virtue labeling crap. Both sides are human..irrevocably.

Edited on Sep 23, 2023 8:14am
Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

You guys claim nobility for your ilk and that their concerns are always  centered around improvement of everyday lives for citizens. When you engage in that, you leave no space for them to screw up..as if they're a virtuous band of angels with no self-interest or self-enrichment issues in mind at all. That's just not true. Menendez is just one recent example. You guys have a tendency to put halos on their heads..all that virtue labeling crap. Both sides are human..irrevocably.


That's yet another reductio ad absurdum argument. No one has claimed to be noble, except perhaps those RepubliQ who claim to be on a crusade to stop your kids from being "groomed" (what an asinine term that is).

 

Of course the Democrats serve the public in their own self-interest. But at least they do so! I'll give them a cushy chair and free donuts and all the rest of the perks if they pass laws that benefit the people. And for the most part, they do...or they try, at least. The RepubliQ pass laws that hurt people.

 

I'm sorry, Charles, there's just no moral equivalence between the two sides.


Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

You guys claim nobility for your ilk and that their concerns are always  centered around improvement of everyday lives for citizens. When you engage in that, you leave no space for them to screw up..as if they're a virtuous band of angels with no self-interest or self-enrichment issues in mind at all. That's just not true. Menendez is just one recent example. You guys have a tendency to put halos on their heads..all that virtue labeling crap. Both sides are human..irrevocably.


Exhibit A: Al Franken

Exhibit B. Menendez. LOTS of prominent Democrats are calling for his resignation.

 

Keep 'em coming, Charles. When I can shoot down your arguments so easily, it's good for my self-esteem.

Originally posted by: MisterPicture

Exhibit A: Al Franken

Exhibit B. Menendez. LOTS of prominent Democrats are calling for his resignation.

 

Keep 'em coming, Charles. When I can shoot down your arguments so easily, it's good for my self-esteem.


You only shot down my arguments from your liberal perspective, Scooter...not from my perspective which is paramount anyway because you have never and will never pay my bills .Fact is your exposed liberal approach to solving problems only increase my bills in the short and long run.  But keep tryin..and keep sweatin the plight of all those prairie chickens that you seem to be very concerned about. Further, you personally will never run off with my gas stove..you ain't got the power now nor in the future.  Have fun with your ridiculous world views..which are all your ultimate choice. Enjoy those.

 

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

That's yet another reductio ad absurdum argument. No one has claimed to be noble, except perhaps those RepubliQ who claim to be on a crusade to stop your kids from being "groomed" (what an asinine term that is).

 

Of course the Democrats serve the public in their own self-interest. But at least they do so! I'll give them a cushy chair and free donuts and all the rest of the perks if they pass laws that benefit the people. And for the most part, they do...or they try, at least. The RepubliQ pass laws that hurt people.

 

I'm sorry, Charles, there's just no moral equivalence between the two sides.


And all the liberal - enacted legislation / laws, executive orders, and perhaps in particular all those non-legislative institutional / administrative policy changes have only  benefitted the people over time? Is that your contention? Then we're still at square one and in full-fledged disagreement. I disagree vehemently, but latch onto whatever  blows your dress up. You delude yourself by suggesting that only D's  make only right decisions and/or that only conservatives always make wrong / bad decisions for 'the people'. Both of those approaches are just flat wrong, but none of that surprises me. Continue to over-and-under that horse with a quirt as you see fit..your prerogative. We're all absurd on occasion..you just don't have the maturity and/or cajones to admit that axiom also applies to yourself and the people you support .

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

And all the liberal - enacted legislation / laws, executive orders, and perhaps in particular all those non-legislative institutional / administrative policy changes have only  benefitted the people over time? Is that your contention? Then we're still at square one and in full-fledged disagreement. I disagree vehemently, but latch onto whatever  blows your dress up. You delude yourself by suggesting that only D's  make only right decisions and/or that only conservatives always make wrong / bad decisions for 'the people'. Both of those approaches are just flat wrong, but none of that surprises me. Continue to over-and-under that horse with a quirt as you see fit..your prerogative. We're all absurd on occasion..you just don't have the maturity and/or cajones to admit that axiom also applies to yourself and the people you support .


You gotta brush up on your reading skills, Charles. I said FOR THE MOST PART, not "only." And unlike you, I'm more than willing to admit that my side does some dumb things and passes some pointless laws--on occasion. But maybe you really don't get that I'm talking about the two parties' default settings. Your gang: make corporations rich. My gang: make the people better off. I honestly don't know why anyone would ever ally themselves with the corporate lackeys. But many do, obviously.

 

I also think that you either don't know or simply refuse to acknowledge all the benefits that have accrued to you personally from all that horrid Democrat a'spendin'. You seem to think that all gummint expenditures are bad. I would point you at the quality of life in places where there isn't much gummint spending--and then point you at the quality of life where there's a lot.

 

Game, set, and match.

You're now saying that I never cast aspersions on members of my own conservative ilk? More delusion displayed by you. No. What you don't fathom is that I can't / won't even show up at the court where the game you play takes place. There is no match..I've got better things to do than engage in your fixed game that often  totally disregards reality . You do what you can live with..I'm not participating. You ladies and gents enjoy yourselves, though.

Edited on Sep 24, 2023 8:03am
Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

You're now saying that I never cast aspersions on members of my own conservative ilk? More delusion displayed by you. No. What you don't fathom is that I can't / won't even show up at the court where the game you play takes place. There is no match..I've got better things to do than engage in your fixed game that often  totally disregards reality . You do what you can live with..I'm not participating. You ladies and gents enjoy yourselves, though.


When did I say that? I said that you've adopted their "all gummint a'spendin' is a'bad" mantra, and reality has shown that mantra to be simply false--not just here but in dozens of other countries as well. Therefore, the current RepubliQ virtue signaling is based on a false premise, and is worse than a mere waste of time.

 

But unlike the RepubliQ, I say that you're allowed to hold whatever views you wish. It's just sad to see that an able mind is so polluted with all the conservitard nonsense. Countries with fewer conservitards are happier than we are. That pisses me off, that my life isn't as good as it should be, because I'm surrounded by virtue-signaling idiots. Neither is your life as good as it should be, though you don't realize/acknowledge that.

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