Politics -- The Big Choice

If anyone wants to contribute in a rational manner, please do.

 

It's taken me a year to get my head around the idea that I, a left-of-Marx guy, might vote Trump over Biden. Plus I have followed Trump his entire career, so that makes it even harder to stomach the idea that the lawsuit-every-other-week-lifetime guy should at all be considered for president (again).

 

But for me, it comes down to this. Trump's lies are obvious and usually personal. I think that I can identify them and figure them out. I may be wrong, but that's my best guess. Biden's lies are institutional and harder to clearly identify. And he covers his tracks with vast institutional reliance on censorship. The worst censorship I have ever seen in the US.

 

As an old journalism person, I find Biden's presentation of reality and means of covering his tracks and his institutional tracks both more despicable and more dangerous long-term than anything Trumpian. 

 

Hard to believe, but if you put a gun to my head, I'd likely vote Trump. What Biden did vis-a-vis both Covid censorship and the laptop propaganda (the signatory statement) disqualifies him from running a democracy.

 

Of course, then we get into the CIA defining the US currently as "not really a democracy." So there is that.

 

So you're ok with trying to steal a free and fair election?

 

How revealing....

Originally posted by: Robert Dietz

If anyone wants to contribute in a rational manner, please do.

 

It's taken me a year to get my head around the idea that I, a left-of-Marx guy, might vote Trump over Biden. Plus I have followed Trump his entire career, so that makes it even harder to stomach the idea that the lawsuit-every-other-week-lifetime guy should at all be considered for president (again).

 

But for me, it comes down to this. Trump's lies are obvious and usually personal. I think that I can identify them and figure them out. I may be wrong, but that's my best guess. Biden's lies are institutional and harder to clearly identify. And he covers his tracks with vast institutional reliance on censorship. The worst censorship I have ever seen in the US.

 

As an old journalism person, I find Biden's presentation of reality and means of covering his tracks and his institutional tracks both more despicable and more dangerous long-term than anything Trumpian. 

 

Hard to believe, but if you put a gun to my head, I'd likely vote Trump. What Biden did vis-a-vis both Covid censorship and the laptop propaganda (the signatory statement) disqualifies him from running a democracy.

 

Of course, then we get into the CIA defining the US currently as "not really a democracy." So there is that.

 


The CIA is absolutely correct, and the signal indicator of that is that the orange aberration who lost the 2016 election by five million votes was declared the winner. I therefore recommend that you don't vote for the party that supports minority rule.

 

Your vast conspiracy theory viewpoint of the Biden administration is a ludicrously fanciful exaggeration, which even you admit is formed from speculation and guesswork. I note that you decline to provide actual evidence of this vast censorship network--and you make the completely nutso assumption that this vast network was created by the Biden administration and never existed before.

 

"Covid censorship"--suppressing dangerous statements on social media, statements that persuaded people to get themselves killed? Well, swat my behind with a melon rind--I WANT the eeeeeeevil gummint to do that sort of thing (fascist that I am!). And PLEEEEZ--let's not talk any more about Hunter's mystical magical radioactive laptop until we....y'know...actually SEE it and the bombshell files that are supposedly on it?

 

Your false equivalence argument is a dog that won't hunt.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

The CIA is absolutely correct, and the signal indicator of that is that the orange aberration who lost the 2016 election by five million votes was declared the winner. I therefore recommend that you don't vote for the party that supports minority rule.

 

Your vast conspiracy theory viewpoint of the Biden administration is a ludicrously fanciful exaggeration, which even you admit is formed from speculation and guesswork. I note that you decline to provide actual evidence of this vast censorship network--and you make the completely nutso assumption that this vast network was created by the Biden administration and never existed before.

 

"Covid censorship"--suppressing dangerous statements on social media, statements that persuaded people to get themselves killed? Well, swat my behind with a melon rind--I WANT the eeeeeeevil gummint to do that sort of thing (fascist that I am!). And PLEEEEZ--let's not talk any more about Hunter's mystical magical radioactive laptop until we....y'know...actually SEE it and the bombshell files that are supposedly on it?

 

Your false equivalence argument is a dog that won't hunt.


Seems like a great argument to me.  


I dont know what "presentation of reality" or "covering of his tracks" means in regards to Biden.      I dont see an issue with either.   

 

He got us out of COIVD and Afghanistan.  He passed the biggest infrastructure bill since Eisenhower.  He lowered prescriptuon drug prices.  And he's kept the economy growing with record low unemployment  in the face of record rises in interest rates.  That last one has never been accomplished before.

 

So if you think that record is more dangerous to the future of AMerica than the purposefully divisive rhetoric from Trump coupled with his neverending attempts to disband our democratic instituions and elections?  Well....lets just say I happily disagree.  The fact that most people on the right have been reduced to crying about Biden's age proves they dont have anything of substance to cry about.

 

 

Edited on Aug 23, 2023 2:31pm

Afghanistan is not an accomplishment it was a fiasco! 13 dead marines and he is checking his watch, instead of honoring them. It is “retained jobs” not created jobs! Got us out of Covid? That is an asinine statement. American people led us out that, tired of being teathered to home!

Let me summarize this post . Hi, I am radical liberal that is left of Karl Marx but I am voting for Trump because Trump's lies are personal,  and Biden's lies, that I have no evidence of, are more sinister because I can't prove them.  Never mind that Trump used his lies to stage a coup and tried to end Democracy. I just know deep down that Biden is up to something.

 

 

😂 Concern trolling went out of fashion a long time ago.

 

Edited on Aug 24, 2023 4:24am
Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker

Afghanistan is not an accomplishment it was a fiasco! 13 dead marines and he is checking his watch, instead of honoring them. It is “retained jobs” not created jobs! Got us out of Covid? That is an asinine statement. American people led us out that, tired of being teathered to home!


Peckerwood...you crazy, dude.

Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker

Afghanistan is not an accomplishment it was a fiasco! 13 dead marines and he is checking his watch, instead of honoring them. It is “retained jobs” not created jobs! Got us out of Covid? That is an asinine statement. American people led us out that, tired of being teathered to home!


That is actually a very good post.  "Got us out of Covid".........lol

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Peckerwood...you crazy, dude.


Damn Kevin, that was a pretty kind response. Thank you

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