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Like I said - Democrats listen to scientists...and people like Tom listen to ...I dunno.   Not scientists.

I cant help that...nor am I interested in changing their disposition.

 

But thats why we have elections -  to give voters a choice. 

 

If "conservatives" think green energy and middle class tax cuts are a bad idea and will run up the deficit they can continue to vote for politicians that give corporate tax cuts.....and Space Force.

There are many scientists who don’t believe in climate change. 

 

The liberal plan plan will increase the deficit by several trillion, but somehow in pj world that doesn’t count. 

Originally posted by: tom

There are many scientists who don’t believe in climate change. 

 

The liberal plan plan will increase the deficit by several trillion, but somehow in pj world that doesn’t count. 


Yeah, all 3% of them. LOL  

 

Tom, how much has the conservative Trump plan increased the deficit by? The Democrats plan to pay for their programs by taxing millionaires, billionaires and freeloading corporations.  The universal healthcare program can be paid for by taking everything the government currently pays for healthcare and all the premiums employers currently pay for their employees into a new universal system.  At least, that is what conservative George Mason University found when they studied it. 

The so called 97% of scientists has long since been debunked. 

 

If if you think 150 million people will give up their private insurance for a VA type health care system, you are dreaming. 

 

Meanwhile we have the well run Medicare system that currently has a a $40 trillion deficit. 

 

The top 1% already pay 39% of the federal income tax. How much is fair share?


By Whom? Anybody, other than right-wing sites?

 

I am not dreaming.   Polls show (as I posted not too long ago) even a majority of Republicans are willing to give up private insurance. Really, your years-long fixation with the VA needs to end. Try asking people on Medicaid, Medicare or people that have children on one of the numerous healthcare programs funded by the Federal Government if they want to give those up in exchange for a private for-profit plan.  

 

Tom said, "The top 1% already pay 39% of the federal income tax. How much is fair share?"

 

"To whom much is given, much will be required."

 

Income taxes aren't the only taxes people pay.  There are sales taxes, payroll taxes for SS and Medicare, fuel taxes, excise taxes, state income taxes, property taxes, taxes on gambling winnings and many others. Then you get into the whole fees thing.

 

 

 Not to mention the numerous freeloading large corporations that have negative tax rates. 

Edited on Jan 30, 2019 6:25pm

The polls you cite don't ask the followup question of how much in additional taxes are you willing to pay - $5,000, 7,000 10,000 etc.

 

 

"To whom much is given, much will be required."  The correct term would be to whom much is EARNED.  If you raise taxes to high, it encourages people to either reduce their earnings or move to another country.  In either scenario mark gets less money, so the threshold for "rich" gets lower

 

 Is this the study you reference? a study over the summer by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University estimated it would cost $32.6 trillion — $3.26 trillion per year — over 10 years.

 

 Analysis by The New York Times in 2017 showed at least 74 million Americans who currently benefit from Medicaid would potentially face higher taxes under "Medicare for All.

 

States such as California, North Carolina & Vermont have all backed away from these plans due to the high cost.

 

Again nobody has come up with a solution for the huge medicare deficit, but mark wants the govt to take over everything to run a VA system.

 

Although the data is from 2007, IRS data shows the top 10% earn $3.6 trillion.  So if you tax the top 10% at 100% mark & company won't have enough money to pay for health care, never mind the $6,000 giveaway, free college & the other fantasy plans.

I think that the Dumocrat Party has finally gone so far left, that they could now be logically called the Socialist Party.  Something no one has bothered to respond to......Medicare is a lot of things, but it certainly is NOT free.  After paying into it for 40 years or more, you get to pay a pretty healthy amount each month to be covered.  Many think Medicare is free.....it certainly isn't.  But the Socialists here still want to play Santa Claus by promising everything and delivering nothing.

And since medicare doesn't pay for everything, in addition to the premiums, you have to buy an Advantage plan & nursing home insurance, in order to something close to full coverage.  Even then medicare is trillions in the hole

Originally posted by: tom

And since medicare doesn't pay for everything, in addition to the premiums, you have to buy an Advantage plan & nursing home insurance, in order to something close to full coverage.  Even then medicare is trillions in the hole


Exactly so, . . .  but it's worse than that 

 

DonDiego is over 65 and on Medicare.  However, he still carries a group-health-insurance plan available as part of his retirement plan - not free, but with a reasonable fee.

i. His wife is not yet eligible for Medicare so the Group plan covers her and poor old DonDiego.

ii. The medical facility to which DonDiego's primary physician belongs does not accept Medicare insurance alone; the patient must have at least a supplemental plan.

 

(By the way, . . . just an observation, . . . younger folks likely don't really know how this stuff works.  DonDiego didn't until he turned 65.  When it comes time to settle the bill, . . . hospitals, physicians, etc. first bill Medicare, which pays what its schedule-of-payments allows and then requests the secondary-insurer to pay whatever its schedule allows of the balance.  They soak the Government first !  )

 

DonDiego is well aware if some sort of "Medicare for All" is passed it will eventually require all medical professionals to accept it.  At that point the quality of medical care will commence a certain decline to a lowest common denominator.  That's what socialism does.*

 

*See, f'rinstance, . . . Venezuela, not so long ago the wealthiest country in South America.

 

 

 

 

 

Everytime a Republican wants to have a strawman argument about socialism they run to the authoritarian state Venezuela.    Its alot easier than recognizing the lowest common denominator in Canada.  Just ask Rand Paul.

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