Ramifications of Liberal policy. 16 intercity Starbucks closing.

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

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Well, it is a legitimate problem.   ANd there is legitimate blame to be cast on some municipalities that have responded to the Derrick Chavin nightmare by ignoring crime.   And frankly, thats really stupid.   And if you want Democrats to win elections like I do you should call it out and purge the party of people who implement it.

 

San Francisco just did that very thing with their distirct attorney.  Good for them.   

 

There has to be a happy medium somewhere between letting cops kill unarmed, unthreatening suspects and ignoring crime.     People who support either of those extremes should not be in charge of law enforcement.

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Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

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I think the original article is credible and accurate about some municipalities.   But this is also in large part Starbucks own fault.

 

You might recall some time ago an incident where a Starbucks tossed out a customer they believed to be homeless who in fact was not.   He was waiting for a friend to show up and have coffee.    The local community shit their pants and it made national news how Starbucks was discriminating.    So they changesd their policy to allow anybody (customers or not) to loiter in ther stores.   It essentially turned Starbucks into a nation wide homeless shelter where the local bag ladies, bums, and drug vagrants could set up shot and shake down customers for money.    

 

In Howard Schultz's defense that was a different ceo who implemented that policy.   

 

So yes, you can blame some cities for turning  blind eye to petty crimes - but you can also blame Starbucks for their own policy.   ANd anyone who finds fault with  Starbucks previous policy of only letting customers inside the store  is more than welcome to invite those same homeless people to live in their living room.

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Originally posted by: David Miller

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   Why do the homeless and their actions always get a pass? Local businesses closing their doors because the regions where the homeless are living are not being governed by their elected officials. What is the answer to the homeless problem? Anyone care to offer a solution? Or do we blame the business because they have to change their policies to accomdate the homeless? Anyone? Let's hear your solutions - anyone can point a finger, what are your solutions? 

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Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

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Yeah, there's answers but you probably wont like them.   You can look to other industrialized nations.

 

If you've been to Europe (you know, those awful Socialist countries) they have taxpayer funding which provides homeless people with shelter, mental counselling, and drug rehab.   That makes taxes higher.   But it also makes the "tent cities" like you see in US cities disappear.   Thats why you dont see them in London, Paris, Berlin, etc...

 

If you dont want your tax dollars to address this issue then you cant complain about the bum sleeping in your neighborhood park.    Unfortunately, thats the standard here.  In Indianapolis we have some funding to put homeless people in low income apartments.   But its not funded well....they cant afford to get the garbage picked up.   They just did a news story how the dumpsters at that complex are overrun with trash and rats.   

 

So you get what you pay for.   Thinking you can solve it by not investing in a solution doesnt seem to work very well. 

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Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

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Yeah, there's answers but you probably wont like them.   You can look to other industrialized nations.

 

If you've been to Europe (you know, those awful Socialist countries) they have taxpayer funding which provides homeless people with shelter, mental counselling, and drug rehab.   That makes taxes higher.   But it also makes the "tent cities" like you see in US cities disappear.   Thats why you dont see them in London, Paris, Berlin, etc...

 

If you dont want your tax dollars to address this issue then you cant complain about the bum sleeping in your neighborhood park.    Unfortunately, thats the standard here.  In Indianapolis we have some funding to put homeless people in low income apartments.   But its not funded well....they cant afford to get the garbage picked up.   They just did a news story how the dumpsters at that complex are overrun with trash and rats.   

 

So you get what you pay for.   Thinking you can solve it by not investing in a solution doesnt seem to work very well. 

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Originally posted by: David Miller

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  So your solution is to have tax paying, working citizens pay for homeless shelters, counselling, drug rehab, ect., right?  And then you say "you get what you pay for" - really?  And just what are we paying for?  Why should tax dollars have to address this issue? 

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Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

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whats your solution aside from criticizing mine?  ANd Europes'?

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Originally posted by: David Miller

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  Did I criticize you? Please show the criticism, in my own words. I asked you questions - since when does a question being asked become criticism?  I have no idea what you mean by "ANd Europes" - please elaborate.

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