Ray Epps

Originally posted by: Edso

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What?  This was a violent uprising against the government in reaction to Trump not winning the election.  There was vandalism and looting, the rioters assaulted Capitol police officers and reporters.  Forceably entering a government building and causing the mayhem they did, was an insurrection.  Pure and simple.   

 

 

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Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

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David's like a football coach whose team lost by eight touchdowns and says that it was because the refs cheated.

 

Edso 56, David 0.

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Originally posted by: David Miller

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     Lying Lewis is a typical liberal - always bitching and moaning and putting others down.  Sane people 100, Lying Lewis 0.

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Originally posted by: David Miller

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 There was no insurrection, period. -- What is the difference between insurrection, rioting, and civil unrest? Insurrection, rioting, and civil unrest are all forms of violent or disruptive behavior, but they differ in their scale, intent, and context. Insurrection refers to a violent uprising against an established authority, usually with the aim of overthrowing the government or disrupting its operations. Insurrection often involves armed conflict, and those involved may seek to seize control of key institutions such as government buildings or military installations. Rioting refers to a violent disturbance in public places, often involving a large group of people. Riots may be sparked by a variety of factors, including social or political grievances, economic inequality, or a perception of injustice. Rioters may engage in looting, vandalism, arson, or physical attacks on individuals or property. Civil unrest is a broader term that refers to a range of non-violent and violent actions that express dissatisfaction with the status quo or seek to bring about change. Civil unrest can take many forms, including protests, demonstrations, strikes, boycotts, and acts of civil disobedience. While civil unrest may sometimes escalate into violence, it can also be a peaceful means of expressing dissent and effecting change. In summary, insurrection involves a violent attempt to overthrow an established authority, rioting involves violent disturbances in public places, and civil unrest encompasses a range of non-violent and violent actions aimed at expressing dissatisfaction or effecting change. ----At best, Jan.6 was a riot caused by civil unrest. 

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Originally posted by: Edso

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That was a very informative post, David.  I'm going to focus on the first bolded definition you posted on Insurrection.   "Insurrection often involves armed conflict, and those involved may seek to seize control of key institutions such as government buildings or military installations."  Now, the definition states "often involves armed conflict", but we can't know for sure that any of the individuals that stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6th were armed, so it doesn't have to be an armed conflict to still be an insurrection.  It's the second part where it states, "may seek to seize control of key institutions such as government buildings......", that definitely makes this an insurrection.  Congress is a government building, and as such, when it was stormed by the January 6th group, it became an insurrection.  If they would have gotten crazy and started pushing over cars or fighting in the street in front of the Capitol, that would have been a riot, but the moment they burst into the Capitol and started causing damage, it was an insurrection.  I know you will get hung up on the summary, section of your post, where you state, "......insurrection involves a violent attempt to overthrow an established authority"'.  Now we both know that this wasn't going to happen, but the act of them forceably entering the Capitol made this an insurrection by it's action.  

 

I know we won't see eye to eye on this, but I appreciate you providing the difference between insurrection, rioting and civil unrest.  We each continue to see the events of January 6th in a different way.  Such is life.  

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by: Edso

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That was a very informative post, David.  I'm going to focus on the first bolded definition you posted on Insurrection.   "Insurrection often involves armed conflict, and those involved may seek to seize control of key institutions such as government buildings or military installations."  Now, the definition states "often involves armed conflict", but we can't know for sure that any of the individuals that stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6th were armed, so it doesn't have to be an armed conflict to still be an insurrection.  It's the second part where it states, "may seek to seize control of key institutions such as government buildings......", that definitely makes this an insurrection.  Congress is a government building, and as such, when it was stormed by the January 6th group, it became an insurrection.  If they would have gotten crazy and started pushing over cars or fighting in the street in front of the Capitol, that would have been a riot, but the moment they burst into the Capitol and started causing damage, it was an insurrection.  I know you will get hung up on the summary, section of your post, where you state, "......insurrection involves a violent attempt to overthrow an established authority"'.  Now we both know that this wasn't going to happen, but the act of them forceably entering the Capitol made this an insurrection by it's action.  

 

I know we won't see eye to eye on this, but I appreciate you providing the difference between insurrection, rioting and civil unrest.  We each continue to see the events of January 6th in a different way.  Such is life.  

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by: MisterPicture

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So David, when a bunch of Southern states seceded from the United States from December 1860 through February 1861, did that constitute an insurrection? 

 

Because it wasn't until a couple of months later that it got violent at Fort Sumter. Looking forward to your answer! TIA.

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