Originally posted by: tom
If kevin could read above a 3rd grade level he would know that nobody can serve more than 10 years
8 years. An elected President can only serve 2 terms. Each term is 4 years. Not sure where you got 10 years, unless it's a typo.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Do you really think that he intends to do anything with the Constitution other than wipe his ass with it? After all, he's already managed to get the Supreme Court to invalidate the entire document!
I can think of a dozen ways that Trump could try (and probably succeed) to remove the term limits restriction. The most Hitler-like ploy would be: in 2028, Anointed Lackey runs for President, nominates the Turd as his VP. He wins after poll terrorization keeps millions from voting. On Day Two, Trump puts a bullet in A.L.'s head. Presto! Third term Turd!
No way that happens. Man, you are really paranoid about this.
Originally posted by: Edso
No way that happens. Man, you are really paranoid about this.
Well Edso, are you finally realizing just what Lewis is?
Edso, the key word is elected. A person can only be elected President twice, but he can be appointed in addition to that. The language of the amendment says that an appointment lasting two years or longer counts as one term served for the purpose of electability. But it does NOT prohibit or limit the length of an appointment after serving two elected terms.
So someone who is appointed (most commonly after the death or resignation of a sitting President) and serves for two years or more can only be elected once after that, but the reverse isn't true--having been elected twice doesn't prevent future appointment. There's actually been a huge amount of debate over whether this anbiguity should or could be fixed.
Of course, all this is in addition to any of a huge number of scenarios where Trump simply ignores the law and tries to stay in office via extralegal means. We've already seen that, haven't we?
Oh, and the 10 years was Tom's invention, not mine--he misconstrued the amendment to think that the appointment term in the scenario I outlined would be limited to 2 years, which isn't true.
To clarify:
The 22nd Amendment prohibits:
Being appointed and serving two years or more;
Then being elected;
And being elected again.
It does NOT prohibit:
Being elected;
Being reelected;
THEN being appointed.
The ten-year limitation that befuddled Tom tried to fathom would be the scenario where a person:
Is appointed, but serves less than two years;
Is elected;
And is elected again.
Scholars have debated whether this might mean that an appointed President who has already served two fulls elected terms can only serve two additional years, but the general consensus is that the language of the Amendment doesn't prohibit serving longer than that.
Once again, though, thinking that Trump would pay attention to these little niceties in 2028, or that he would have to, given the Trumpian Supreme Court, is kind of wishful.
Who wants to bet that "if" Trump wins the election, there will be zero serious talk about a dictatorship in 4 years? Never trust a lyin' liberal.
Originally posted by: Boilerman
Who wants to bet that "if" Trump wins the election, there will be zero serious talk about a dictatorship in 4 years? Never trust a lyin' liberal.
It'll silly to bet on something that isn't even established as a possibility yet, but I agree with you that if Trump wins in 2024, he won't call his attempts to become king for life in 2028 a "dictatorship." He'll call it something else.
I would, however, quite literally bet my life that he wouldn't peacefully step down at the end of his term in 2028.
Sorry kevin all anybody gets is 10 years
Originally posted by: tom
Sorry kevin all anybody gets is 10 years
Stupid Tom, that question has been debated at length by literally hundreds of legal scholars, all of whom are far, far smarter than you, and you're simply...dead wrong. End of discussion, as arguing with an idiot like you is a waste of time.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Edso, the key word is elected. A person can only be elected President twice, but he can be appointed in addition to that. The language of the amendment says that an appointment lasting two years or longer counts as one term served for the purpose of electability. But it does NOT prohibit or limit the length of an appointment after serving two elected terms.
So someone who is appointed (most commonly after the death or resignation of a sitting President) and serves for two years or more can only be elected once after that, but the reverse isn't true--having been elected twice doesn't prevent future appointment. There's actually been a huge amount of debate over whether this anbiguity should or could be fixed.
Of course, all this is in addition to any of a huge number of scenarios where Trump simply ignores the law and tries to stay in office via extralegal means. We've already seen that, haven't we?
Oh, and the 10 years was Tom's invention, not mine--he misconstrued the amendment to think that the appointment term in the scenario I outlined would be limited to 2 years, which isn't true.
Sorry, Kevn, Nope. Go read the 12th Amendment. See the bolded last sentence.
So now explain to me how Trump can be the President for a third time, since, once he is ineligble for the office of President after having served two terms (22nd Amendment), he is also no longer eligible for VP.
| Amendment XII (1804) | ||
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The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;—The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;—The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President—The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States. |
