Record Holiday shopping spending

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

And dont forget - a Record number of 401k Millionaires in the US

 

It makes sense credit card debt went up.   The economy is no longer closed like it was at the end of the Trump Administration....and people are no longer getting checks from the government to supplement their income.    Nines notes that in such an environment people are spending more with less income?     I would certainly hope so.   Thank you, Captain obvious !

 

But the record spending flies in the face of those who say "we cant afford to buy anything anymore".    America is buying quite a lot.   

 

But tell ya what - lets take a snapshot now of GDP growth, unemployment levels, inflation, stock market growth,  national debt and compare it to 4 years from now.    Republican pundits  are already making excuses as to why Trump is going to fail again.


Explain to me how record CC debt of American consumers is expected / desirable again? Youse guys and your funny math stuff ( reminds me of the US Congress math sins). Your last paragraph is reasonable, though. And it doesn't matter what any pundit ( R or D) is saying right now, does it? Those people don't have very good track records as far as specifics, generally speaking.

Originally posted by: Nines

Explain to me how record CC debt of American consumers is expected / desirable again? Youse guys and your funny math stuff ( reminds me of the US Congress math sins). Your last paragraph is reasonable, though. And it doesn't matter what any pundit ( R or D) is saying right now, does it? Those people don't have very good track records as far as specifics, generally speaking.


If people are spending like crazy on their credit cards how is that the fault of the government? Do you not believe in personal responsibility?

 

A big contributor to inflation was hedonistic spending in the aftermath of the pandemic. There was extensive reporting on it.

 

See:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/03/29/consumer-spending-savings-yolo-us/

Originally posted by: Mark

If people are spending like crazy on their credit cards how is that the fault of the government? Do you not believe in personal responsibility?

 

A big contributor to inflation was hedonistic spending in the aftermath of the pandemic. There was extensive reporting on it.

 

See:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/03/29/consumer-spending-savings-yolo-us/


Yeah, consumers just had to play catch up..saw all that from multiple sources multiple times. I do believe in personal responsibility, which is why I'm currently beating my own ass for participating here at all. Not to worry though..these sadomasochistic tendencies always subside after a few sporadically silly  posts. Happy Holidays, etc.

Originally posted by: Nines

Explain to me how record CC debt of American consumers is expected / desirable again? Youse guys and your funny math stuff ( reminds me of the US Congress math sins). Your last paragraph is reasonable, though. And it doesn't matter what any pundit ( R or D) is saying right now, does it? Those people don't have very good track records as far as specifics, generally speaking.


https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/13/credit-card-debt-hits-record-1point17-trillion-new-york-fed-finds.html

 

This article might shed some light.    And I dont think debt is a good thing.   I also dont think its the primary metric by which to measure economic growth.   And here's the best part  - 1 year from now when that debt is even higher per capita - I'm pretty sure you wont think so either.

 

But lets take that snapshot and we can compare it to the economy after Trump implements tarriffs, deports 10 million people, and kills the child tax credits.     

 

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