We have no chance of meaningful gun reform as long as Republicans cheer every mass shooting, even the tiniest, most incremental tenth-measure is immediately screamed at by the likes of Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson as "an attack on are preshus Second Amendment freedumbs," and the moral coward GOP cashes the checks from the NRA and licks their boots in return.
I can't imagine why the Republicans love death. But they obviously do.
They can't help who they love. Support ammosexual rights.
Mandatory background checks would be the least they could do (and thats not enough). Even Trump was onboard with that for awhile...it was one of those things where he tweeted support for it and then called it fake news 2 days later when it was reported he tweeted it.
Anyway - thats the big baby-step that at least has a snowball's chance in hell of passing. Nevermind Republicans - you're not going to get Joe Manchin and John Tester to agree to an assault weapons ban.
In the spirit of "unity", I'll trade nationwide "common sense" gun reguations for nationwide "common sense" abortion regulations.
1) No Clips over 25 rounds (with police / military exceptions) for no 3rd trimester abortions (with very limited and strict medical exceptions)
2) Background checks and 24 hour waiting period for gun purchases for background checks and 24 hour waiting period for abortions.
Maybe you see where I'm heading. These are both situations where people's lifes are at stake and crazy people can do crazy things. Maybe they are both left to be decided by the states as they are the best incubators of ideas.
Originally posted by: jphelan
In the spirit of "unity", I'll trade nationwide "common sense" gun reguations for nationwide "common sense" abortion regulations.
1) No Clips over 25 rounds (with police / military exceptions) for no 3rd trimester abortions (with very limited and strict medical exceptions)
2) Background checks and 24 hour waiting period for gun purchases for background checks and 24 hour waiting period for abortions.
Maybe you see where I'm heading. These are both situations where people's lifes are at stake and crazy people can do crazy things. Maybe they are both left to be decided by the states as they are the best incubators of ideas.
You would be making a good point if zygotes were the same thing as human beings.
But they're not. And you didn't.
Abortions almost never kill human beings (the mother can develop fatal complications, albeit very rarely).
The same cannot be said of guns.
End of discussion.
Originally posted by: MisterPicture
You would be making a good point if zygotes were the same thing as human beings.
But they're not. And you didn't.
Life begins at conception, what you call a zygote is a name placed on an human by man but God knows otherwise, also a 3rd trimester baby can survive outside the womb so it is not as you call it a zygote, yours was an ignorant response to a reasonable argument.
Ideally the way it should work is when AMerica has a problem the parties offer competing soulutions and the public gets to vote for the one they like best. But thats not what we have here or on a myriad of other issues
Democrats put forward a solution on gun violence. Republicans offer nothing
Democrats put forward a solution on healthcare. Republicans offer nothing.
Democrats put forward a solution on climate. Republicans offer nothing.
So instead of picking the best solution voters just have to decide if they want to address the problem or not.
You guys can't be serious, comparing an abortion to a mass shooting. An abortion is planned, carried out electively with agreement of affected parties involved. I won't debate the right or wrong of it.
A mass shooting is almost never planned and carried out electively with agreement of the affected parties involved, most particularly the victims.
The problem with guns: our laws forbid taking action when somebody knows something, or suspects something. The shooter may be a raving maniac or a quiet weirdo who people tiptoe around to avoid conflict; a misfit who threatens bosses or co-workers, especially after being disciplined or fired; a teen (the bully or one who was bullied) expelled from school after school for violent behavior toward teachers/classmates; someone with a rap sheet including bringing guns to school or work and expressing threats.
Between 1) a court system morally opposted to incarcerating/denying freedoms without solid proof--the proof that can only be...proven....after the mass shooting has occurred--and 2) privacy laws that threaten the livelihood of psychiatrists, clergy, counselors, and others whom a potential shooter may have confided in, if they bring their concerns forward (and still nothing would be done). I don't know the solution. JMHO.
Candy
Originally posted by: Roger S
Life begins at conception, what you call a zygote is a name placed on an human by man but God knows otherwise, also a 3rd trimester baby can survive outside the womb so it is not as you call it a zygote, yours was an ignorant response to a reasonable argument.
"God knows otherwise?" You know Rog, the mass-murderer who killed thousands of firstborn Egyptians really shouldn't weigh in on this one.
