Restricting the power of the Presidency

Well, we certainly have a stark example of why the President has too much power and not NEARLY enough checks on his actions. The Blundering Fathers thought, first of all, that the President would be a man of integrity. They never anticipated something like Trump holding the office. And back then, political parties weren't nearly as dominant as they are now. They never thought that the President's party could, or would, form a monolithic bloc that gave him complete carte blanche. They also thought that SCOTUS would be a check. Instead, packed with Trump lackeys, it's merely a rubber stamp.

 

I honestly don't see how this can be fixed. MAGA is feverishly working to ensure that they "win" every election from this day on. And Trump isn't even the problem going forward; he'll croak soon. But something even worse may replace him.

 

I don't want to be pessimistic, but I can't see our battered democracy surviving. What about you?

 

What can we do, if anything, to ensure that no Turds ever inhabit the White House again?

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Well, we certainly have a stark example of why the President has too much power and not NEARLY enough checks on his actions. The Blundering Fathers thought, first of all, that the President would be a man of integrity. They never anticipated something like Trump holding the office. And back then, political parties weren't nearly as dominant as they are now. They never thought that the President's party could, or would, form a monolithic bloc that gave him complete carte blanche. They also thought that SCOTUS would be a check. Instead, packed with Trump lackeys, it's merely a rubber stamp.

 

I honestly don't see how this can be fixed. MAGA is feverishly working to ensure that they "win" every election from this day on. And Trump isn't even the problem going forward; he'll croak soon. But something even worse may replace him.

 

I don't want to be pessimistic, but I can't see our battered democracy surviving. What about you?

 

What can we do, if anything, to ensure that no Turds ever inhabit the White House again?


  The founding fathers could never forsee a blundering basement dwelling, brain dead puppet being illegally elected and residing in the White House dismantling America with corrupt DemocRAT policies. The American people suffered for 4 years under this vegetable and a cackling hyena. Americans went to the voters box and resoundly rejected the anti - America DemocRATs and elected a patriot who loves America. Rectifying 4 years of corruption, iodicy and underhandedness is being done in a common sense manner despite the obstruction seen daily by the DemocRATs. Americaans see and applaude the steps being taken by the Trump administration as America once again is on track to be great again. Every sane person in America knows that President Trump, his cabinet and his administration are doing a great job - it is readily apparent because the corrupt DemocRATs scream louder and longer each passing day. Voting out every DemocRAT would eliminate 95% of who and what is wrong in America.

Originally posted by: David Miller

  The founding fathers could never forsee a blundering basement dwelling, brain dead puppet being illegally elected and residing in the White House dismantling America with corrupt DemocRAT policies. The American people suffered for 4 years under this vegetable and a cackling hyena. Americans went to the voters box and resoundly rejected the anti - America DemocRATs and elected a patriot who loves America. Rectifying 4 years of corruption, iodicy and underhandedness is being done in a common sense manner despite the obstruction seen daily by the DemocRATs. Americaans see and applaude the steps being taken by the Trump administration as America once again is on track to be great again. Every sane person in America knows that President Trump, his cabinet and his administration are doing a great job - it is readily apparent because the corrupt DemocRATs scream louder and longer each passing day. Voting out every DemocRAT would eliminate 95% of who and what is wrong in America.


Sigh...But youre not part of a cult, right drmilled?

Originally posted by: black jack

Sigh...But youre not part of a cult, right drmilled?


  Cult? --  If you refer to the "cult" of common sense, then yes I am. You should try it.


I think the executive has gained way more power than many of the Framers anticipated. Some such as Hamilton probably wanted it. 

 

Many of the ant-federalists warned about this happening. 

 

I think that not only has the Executive Branch usurped power never intended but the Federal Government has done so as well. 

 

Read Article 1 section 8 and ask yourself how much of what the federal government does falls inside or outside of that list. 

 

As to how this could be fixed? I don't know. 

 

Thomas Jefferson in a letter about the Shays rebellion remarked that a similar rebellion ought to happen at least once every 20 years or so. That's when he came up with his quote about the tree of Liberty being refreshed from time to time. 

 

A year later in a letter to James Madison, Jefferson remarked that every constitution and every law ought to expire after about 20 years. Jefferson felt that no current generation has the right to put laws or debts onto the next generation. Reasoning that the Earth belongs to the living generation. 

 

I think The Constitution needs several amendments. Probably more than would realistically pass. Also I fear the results of a Constitutional Convention.

 

I think that if a convention were held today nearly all semblance of state independence would be removed and most power within the federal government would be concentrated with the executive and the president. We would end up with some sort of constitutional monarchy. 

 

 

 

Edited on Jan 30, 2026 8:49pm
Originally posted by: David Miller

  Cult? --  If you refer to the "cult" of common sense, then yes I am. You should try it.


How stupidly arrogant, to call one's mere opinion "common sense."

LiveFree, I think that the founders underestimated just how attractive having one Big Boss Man is to the weak. They thought, well, we just shed blood and treasure to get rid of a monarch. Surely the people don't want one now? But many did...and many still do.

 

I think a Constitutional convention would fail for the same reason. Too many people would just be passive and whoever honked the loudest on social media or Fox Nooze would get to call the tune.

Originally posted by: black jack

Sigh...But youre not part of a cult, right drmilled?


That just might be it, because he is seriously brainwashed.  It's not even funny any more.  Serious issues with that guy. 

Originally posted by: Edso

That just might be it, because he is seriously brainwashed.  It's not even funny any more.  Serious issues with that guy. 


Well, quite aside from his bizarre drooling Trump cult lackey beliefs, which he's entitled to, he's an asshole. We'd all be fine with his barfing out stale MAGA propaganda. But he constantly pitches insults, calls people liars and delusional, etc. etc.

 

And then when called out, he tries to defend/excuse himself by saying YOU TOO YOU TOO YOU TOO, like a third-grader at recess.

 

He got spanked by Anthony a few weeks ago and briefly, oh so briefly, became almost civil. Almost. For a little while. Then his core personality kicked back in.

 

The sad part is that during that brief hiatus from his asshole self, he actually had some worthwhile things to add to the discussions. But his primary purpose for being here--to start and enjoy arguments--took back over. 

Originally posted by: David Miller

  The founding fathers could never forsee a blundering basement dwelling, brain dead puppet being illegally elected and residing in the White House dismantling America with corrupt DemocRAT policies. The American people suffered for 4 years under this vegetable and a cackling hyena. Americans went to the voters box and resoundly rejected the anti - America DemocRATs and elected a patriot who loves America. Rectifying 4 years of corruption, iodicy and underhandedness is being done in a common sense manner despite the obstruction seen daily by the DemocRATs. Americaans see and applaude the steps being taken by the Trump administration as America once again is on track to be great again. Every sane person in America knows that President Trump, his cabinet and his administration are doing a great job - it is readily apparent because the corrupt DemocRATs scream louder and longer each passing day. Voting out every DemocRAT would eliminate 95% of who and what is wrong in America.


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