The Robert Hur Report and Tapes Verify That Biden Was and Is Mentally Impaired

Originally posted by: CharlesII

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It's actually not as straightforward as you suggest.  There's a second criteria there "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

 

"Critics claim that anyone born in the United States is automatically a U.S. citizen, even if their parents are here illegally. But that ignores the text and legislative history of the 14th Amendment, which was ratified in 1868 to extend citizenship to freed slaves and their children.

 

The 14th Amendment doesn’t say that all persons born in the U.S. are citizens. It says that “[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” are citizens. That second, critical, conditional phrase is conveniently ignored or misinterpreted by advocates of “birthright” citizenship.

 

Critics erroneously believe that anyone present in the United States has “subjected” himself “to the jurisdiction” of the United States, which would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike.

 

But that is not what that qualifying phrase means. Its original meaning refers to the political allegiance of an individual and the jurisdiction that a foreign government has over that individual."

 

Birthright Citizenship: A Fundamental Misunderstanding of the 14th Amendment | The Heritage Foundation

 

The Supreme Court has never ruled on a case where father and mother were illegally in the US.  For example, could an illegal alien be drafted into the US military?  If not then they aren't fully subject to US jurisdiction, are they?

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Originally posted by: CharlesII

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It's actually not as straightforward as you suggest.  There's a second criteria there "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

 

"Critics claim that anyone born in the United States is automatically a U.S. citizen, even if their parents are here illegally. But that ignores the text and legislative history of the 14th Amendment, which was ratified in 1868 to extend citizenship to freed slaves and their children.

 

The 14th Amendment doesn’t say that all persons born in the U.S. are citizens. It says that “[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” are citizens. That second, critical, conditional phrase is conveniently ignored or misinterpreted by advocates of “birthright” citizenship.

 

Critics erroneously believe that anyone present in the United States has “subjected” himself “to the jurisdiction” of the United States, which would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike.

 

But that is not what that qualifying phrase means. Its original meaning refers to the political allegiance of an individual and the jurisdiction that a foreign government has over that individual."

 

Birthright Citizenship: A Fundamental Misunderstanding of the 14th Amendment | The Heritage Foundation

 

The Supreme Court has never ruled on a case where father and mother were illegally in the US.  For example, could an illegal alien be drafted into the US military?  If not then they aren't fully subject to US jurisdiction, are they?

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Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

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SCOTUS presently is nothing more than a Trump appendage, with six judges having sworn utter fealty to him. So the Constitutionality of an issue is irrelevant here--it's the Trumpality. SCOTUS will open their legs for him.

 

The jurisdiction argument is typically Turd-stupid. A child is born in the US. Whose jurisdiction is he "subject" to? That of Burkina Faso, where his parents come from? Or that of the US, where his adorable little butt is sitting? DUHHHH!

 

MAGA race hatred, though, not the Constitution, will be the deciding factor here. We are now a lawless MAGA nation.

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Originally posted by: Brent Kline

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Why can't we talk about Joe Bidens problems without comparing him to Trump ?   Biden was not even able to sign his name.  Why all the deflection.  Everyone on this site should be able in one short sentense to say Joe Biden was not fit to be the president.  Maybe you were tricked by the news sources being watched, but come on, be honest.

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Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

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Very good post but you will never get Kevin to do that

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Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

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"Very good" because he said something you agree with. I have different standards for what's good and what isn't. I respect a cogent argument regardless of whether I agree with it or not.

 

Unfortunately, Brent's post falls well short of that standard, Very, very few people know, or knew, whether Biden was fit for office by any objective standard. That doesn't include Brent--or me--or you. In order to make such a judgment call, two things are necessary:

 

 

1) An objective, agreed-upon standard regarding what constitutes fitness for office

2) Careful and prolonged observation, including detailed medical records, of the individual

 

How many people had 2)? And has 1) ever been defined?

 

Failing that, it's all just MAGA yeeping. What could you or I or Brent do? Observe the times when Biden appeared in public. The great majority of the time, he seemed to have the needed mental and physical vigor. A couple of times, he didn't. Therefore, I move to the default position, which is that he was aging but overall still fit. If you're MAGA, you'll concentrate on the times he looked his worst, and you'll say he was unfit (AND THAR WUZ A CUVVUR-UP!).

 

Ultimately, we need a yearly (at least) mental and physical evaluation of POTUS to see if the qualifications as vaguely described in the 25th Amendment are met. Unfortunately, MAGA will never let that happen, because Trump would fail the mental part miserably. If you wanna talk about fitness for office...

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Originally posted by: tom

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Even the democrats are running for the hills when talking about his mental state.  Their statements are along the line of we had no idea, we were duped, etc.  Books have been written with numerous specific references to his issues and complaints about how access to the president was limited.  biden rarely took questions and those questions were prescreened.  Secretaries complained about not seeing him for months and with only a handful of cabinet meetings & those few meetings were run by jill.

 

The deniers are down to the usual suspects on this board.

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