Originally posted by: Bob Orme
If Mark won't answer, maybe you will.
Where is the court of law that has already proven the guys are felons?
They aren't convicted felons but they are felons none the less. If you prefer the precise langauge, they are indicted felons awaiting trial.
Mark says, incorrectly---- " they are felons none the less." -- This declaration has yet to be proven in a court of law.---- His next statement is just as incorrect-"If you prefer the precise langauge, they are indicted felons awaiting trial. " Once again he takes liberty with the truth. They are accused felons awaiting trial. Typical lying .
HA! That's a mild misstatement by Mark. You made a big deal of it.
Yet, you continue to deny, and when denial is impossible, excuse Trump's lies. If you had such a glowing respect for the truth, you would be similarly outraged at those lies as well.
" a mild misstatement by Mark."------ No, not really. That is a typical talking point tactic used by liars. Making things up to fit their demented rhetoric is commonplace for lying liberals.
Someone indicted as a felony sex offender for molesting little girls goes to David for a job running a girl scout camp. David asks, "So you haven't been convicted?"
The offender says, "That is right. I molested 20 girls aged 8-12 and my trial is in 6 months but my attorney thinks he can get it put off longer. In this remaining time, I want to molest as many girls as I can."
David says, "You sound like the perfect candidate as you enjoy working with kids and you have a clean record."
The bottom line is if you have been arrested for a felony and are awaiting trial, the world considers you a felon. You will not be able to legally carry a gun, consume alcohol, leave the state you live in, typically you can't travel more than 50 miles from your home, you are subject to random drug and alcohol testing and your chances of getting a job are non-existant. So yes those two are felons. Indicted felons if you want to be precise.
Apples and oranges. Rationalize it anyway you want - it does not change the facts in this discussion. You assume facts that have not been proven in a court of law. End of story.
Originally posted by: David Miller
Apples and oranges. Rationalize it anyway you want - it does not change the facts in this discussion. You assume facts that have not been proven in a court of law. End of story.
"End of story"--like you aren't going to open your mouth and comment on it thirty more times!
Again, I call you out on your hypocrisy in excusing Trump's lies. Your faux indignation at Mark's getting a single detail wrong contradicts your acceptance of each and every bullshit thing Trump says.
Another example of Trumper ethics.
Whatever...
I didn't get it wrong. They are felons. If what David said were true, the government wouldn't take their guns away, take their passports away, restrict their rights to travel domestically, restrict their right to consume legal drugs and alcohol, and restrict their right to associate with whom they want to. Those rights will be suspended as a condition of bail assuming they even get bail seeing how they are a flight risk. When you get charged with a felony, you lose your rights until you are cleared at trial or convicted and serve your punishment.
And my example above isn’t apples to oranges. The law applies to everyone equally. David's argument above is non-convicted felons should have the same rights as everyone else until they are found guilty. I described a situation of how that would work in the real world if David's rules were applied. David is telling us now, "Wait a minute. I only want my special rules to apply to folks I politically like."
The presumption of innocence speaks to the process at an accused's trial. The prosecution has to prove their case. The accused doesn't have to prove they are innocent. Pre-trial there is no presumption of innocence. In fact, it is the opposite as it is not unusual for people to sit in jail a year or more awaiting trial. Even if they are truly innocent, they are punished with imprisonment before they are proven guilty of committing any crimes in a court of law.
If David truly believes what he says, we won't see him here anymore. He will be busy traveling the country visiting every county jail in the country demanding that the prisoners that haven't gone to trial be let out because they are innocent under his rules.
More stupidity from Mark- it never ceases.
