Mark, why do you think Russia is pulling for Sanders? I think they believe Sanders is a weak canidate. They want Trump for another 4 years. Who ever the Democrat is nominated, I will support. It may not matter who's nominated, Russia's help, Trump manipulating the Intelligence information and manipulating the DOJ, he may be a sure winner. He's holding all the cards.
Anyone voting for any DemocRat needs to reassess - unless they want for America to become California.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Anyone who is a "staunch Trump supporter" is sick in the head. We saw a LOT of defections in 2018, when congressional candidates, state governors, and others running for elected office who were heavily touted by Trump nonetheless lost. That happened even in dead-red states.
There are tens of millions of Trump 2016 voters who have been bowing their heads in shame, and feel a pang of conscience every time they read about Trump's latest crime. Those folks might not vote for Bernie or whomever in November, but they sure as hell won't vote for Trump.
And then, of course, there are the diehard sickos aka "the base," but their numbers have been steadily shrinking as they become dimly aware that Trump has been selling them snake oil.
Stalker and his buddies might never reach that level of awareness--but sooner rather than later, they will fade into irrelevance.
Sorry Kevin but what you are not accepting is that blacks and latino’s see that Trumps plan DOES work for them. He is gaining with these folks which will more than makeup for what you consider disgruntled conservative voters from 2016. Sorry, just the facts!
PJ said, "I can’t think of a better way to get Trump re-elected than to have Bernie be the D nominee."
I know for certain Americans don’t want another depressive centrist who spends all their time telling voters what they won’t be able to get done if they get elected because it is too hard. That didn’t work out for Hillary in 2016 and it isn’t going to work in 2020. The middle is dead. It is a binary choice between being an all-in liberal or a white nationalist MAGA.
PJ said, There are lots (and I mean LOTS) of Trump supporters from the last election that are nowyearning to vote for somebody else who has a more unifying tone and agenda.
I suppose there are a few, but you are missing all of those votes for Trump that voted for Trump because they wanted radical change as the current system isn’t working for them. Polling shows an awful lot of Union/blue-collar voters that voted for Trump looking at Sanders now. Obama won those voters in both of his elections and Hillary lost them to Trump in 2016. The margin of victory and exit polling in Nevada shows that Sanders can capture these voters and that minority voters are on board with him as well. You aren't going to win these change voters with a candidate who is going to campaign on don't rock the boat.
PJ Said, My opinion: any moderate candidate wins this election in a landslide. If its a race between the two extremes of both parties then its a toss up. I dont want a toss up. I want a landslide.
I respect your opinion PJ but I don’t agree with the premise of your argument. On the one side, you have an orange-skinned authoritarian fascist that openly cheats in his own elections, commits felony after felony, signed consent decrees admitting he ran a fraudulent charity and a fraudulent university and has the decorum of an angry toddler. On the other side, you have a guy that wants universal healthcare and free public college education. If someone is truly a moderate, they are not going to say universal healthcare that’s just a bridge too far but calling people chanting, “Jews will not replace us,” very fine people sign me up.
Cjen said, “Mark, why do you think Russia is pulling for Sanders?”
In 2016 most of the Democratic party couldn’t believe their luck when Trump won the Republican nomination. They thought they were going to cream him. How did that turn out?
I pose a couple of questions for those of you advocating a moderate candidate. Which one? If the assumption is that Bernie is a bad candidate, how is he literally blowing these “good” moderate candidates out of the water?
Looking at the math, which one of them do you see as having a path to securing the Democratic nomination? I’d say only Joe could do it at this point and that is because he came in a distant second in Nevada and could finish first in South Carolina. However, I read this morning there is a good possibility of Tom Steyer passing him and taking first place there. Do you really believe that all of these “good” moderate candidates that can’t even beat Tom Steyer in a primary where moderates are expected to do well can go on to win the national election?
Originally posted by: David Miller
Anyone voting for any DemocRat needs to reassess - unless they want for America to become California.
Stalker is just imitating Trump with his hard-on for California.
It is in fact a very nice place to live, much more so than some Trumper hellhole like Dumbtucky or Kansas. And if America was like California, Americans' lives would be better.
Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
Sorry Kevin but what you are not accepting is that blacks and latino’s see that Trumps plan DOES work for them. He is gaining with these folks which will more than makeup for what you consider disgruntled conservative voters from 2016. Sorry, just the facts!
Your opinion, labeled "the facts," is still just your opinion. Blacks and Latinos (no apostrophe needed) are well aware of Trump's utter contempt for them. This is not to say that some of them won't still be deluded.
And...Trump's "plan"????? What in the name of sweet holy motherfuck makes you think that he has a plan for ANYTHING??? His entire presidency has been nothing more than one long session of pulling things out of his ass. His "plan" to help blacks and Latinos is to make nebulous promises at his hate rallies. Can you cite one piece of legislation that he's promoted to actually help them? And please don't make me laugh by talking about his bigly economy--blacks and Latinos are precisely the people who don't benefit from his tax cuts for the rich.
Originally posted by: cjen
Mark, why do you think Russia is pulling for Sanders? I think they believe Sanders is a weak canidate. They want Trump for another 4 years. Who ever the Democrat is nominated, I will support. It may not matter who's nominated, Russia's help, Trump manipulating the Intelligence information and manipulating the DOJ, he may be a sure winner. He's holding all the cards.
I agree that the only way to get rid of Trump might be the Second Amendment solution. Whoever carried that out, there would be statues of him in every city fifty years from now--"The Man who Saved Our Democracy." And no, Trumptards, I'm not necessarily advocating that right now. Maybe after Moscow Mitch crowns Trump Emperor-for-Life.
I think the Russian troll-bot propaganda farm might be underestimating Sanders. There's a growing groundswell of popular feeling that the problem isn't Trump--it's the system that created him. I think people are getting tired of having billionaires and giant corporations run everything, and Bernie's messge is resonating with them.
I also doubt very much that it matters who the Democratic candidate turns out to be, though. Trump will scream at and insult him/her no matter who it is, and the election campaign will be the same nonsensical farce it was in 2016, with a shitstorm of irrelevant Trump nonsense dominating the discussion.
The real question will be how many Republicans grow a pair, or grow a conscience. Our Trumpers show no inclination to do either, but a few lonely old men banging away at their computers aren't representative of the Repubicans as a whole. At least, I hope not.
Mark, Sanders didn't "literally" blow everyone else out of the water--it wasn't a naval battle. He did it figuratively :) (Sorry, but I just wonder how in Popspeak, the words "literally" and "figuratively" swapped meanings. It's literally raining cats and dogs. Really???)
That aside (I couldn't resist), yeah, I say fuck moderation at this point. The dum-dums who went for Trump's snake-oil pitch in 2016--those who wanted to "shake up the system"--might be dimly aware that Trump IS the system--and at its absolute worst, at that. Domination of the country by the rich. The little guy getting squashed underfoot (and fuck Trump's so-called bigly economy). Power=money and money=power. The guys in the Rust Belt with the union baseball caps who cheered at Trump's hate rallies just might be sick of being told what to do by billionaires at this point.
And yeah, universal health care is much more popular of an idea than the Cons care to admit at this point. Even if it IS SOOOOOOOOCIALISM! (By the way, I wonder why nobody has said, so what exactly is wrong with socialism, anyway? Cons think it's bad because it was part of the Evil Empire's name back in the days of Cowboy Ron, I guess.)
Hey, moron, here is what is wrong with Socialism--
Here is the reality that history teaches those who are intelligent to comprehend -
