Originally posted by: tom
They aren't allowed, or entitled, to say who can and can't vote. If they could, black and brown people wouldn't be able to vote in much of the country.
kevin proves my point. The Feds can require proof of citizenship to determine who can or can't vote
Voter eligibility is determined at the federal level. Voting procedures are determined at the State level
I mean, duh, Tommy.
Voter eligibility is determined at the federal level
US citizenship is voter eligibility.
Originally posted by: tom
Then we don't need the Voting Rights Act.
Once this passed, this opened the door to federal oversight
That's incorrect, according to the Constitution.
Originally posted by: tom
Voter eligibility is determined at the federal level
US citizenship is voter eligibility.
Nope. A ten year old child born in Tomshit, Arizona is a US citizen but not eligible to vote.
A US citizen who lives in one state is not eligible to vote in the elections of another state.
I'm going to go zooming over Tom's head here: the Constitution validates the overall right of citizens to vote but also validates the right of states to regulate elections. In order to become eligible to vote in a state, city, or local election, a person must prove both citizenship and residency. But in order to actually vote once registered, a person needs only to submit a signed ballot.
The MAGA nonsensical crap ignores the fact that in civilized states, ballots are personalized with barcodes. Those ballots are easily verified against signatures on file that correspond to the registered voter in question.
Originally posted by: MaxFlavor
That's incorrect, according to the Constitution.
Don't mention the Constitution to a MAGA. It's just toilet paper to them.
Originally posted by: tom
Voter eligibility is determined at the federal level
US citizenship is voter eligibility.
And non-citzens aren't elgible to vote full stop. That does't mean the Federal Goverment can force the states to make the detrimination if every voter is a citizen and make states eat the costs to do so. In fact it would be incredibly time consuming and costly. If you don't like the Constution pass an amendment until then any talk of the Feds running elections is total bullshit and illegal to boot. Why are you so insistant on the Federal Goverment breaking the law Tom?
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Voter eligibility is determined at the federal level. Voting procedures are determined at the State level
I mean, duh, Tommy.
I disagree. Eligibility is determined by the states. As long as they don't violate the constitutional amendments.
For example a state could decide to start letting 16-year-olds vote. States can decide whether or not felons are able to vote. States can decide whether or not people who are currently incarcerated are able to vote.
The only voting rules the federal government can enforce are the things that the Constitution says they can. Right now with voting it is basically the rights and privileges clause, no 18+age discrimination, no tax, and no denying on account of sex.
For example a state could decide to start letting 16-year-olds vote
You have to be 18 to vote.
Once the 15th amendment was passed it opened the door for federal review of elections to vote. Why the objection to mandating and proving ONLY citizens to vote?
Originally posted by: tom
For example a state could decide to start letting 16-year-olds vote
You have to be 18 to vote.
Once the 15th amendment was passed it opened the door for federal review of elections to vote. Why the objection to mandating and proving ONLY citizens to vote?
It's a solution looking for a problem. I'm fine with voter ID as long everyone receives an ID at no charge
Originally posted by: tom
For example a state could decide to start letting 16-year-olds vote
You have to be 18 to vote.
Once the 15th amendment was passed it opened the door for federal review of elections to vote. Why the objection to mandating and proving ONLY citizens to vote?
Currently no state lets people under 18 vote. But there is nothing stopping a state from changing that. A state could decide to let 16-year-olds vote or even 13-year-olds vote.
The Constitution says the state's must allow 18+ to vote but there's nothing prohibiting them from allowing younger people to vote.
The 15th amendment allows the federal government to enforce the 15th amendment. That's it. It does not allow the federal government to regulate other election matters.
As to your question I have no such objection. I simply have an insistence that this is a state issue.
The Constitution matters more than my feelings. If the Constitution was properly amended then I would no longer object to the federal law.
Why do you object to a strict reading of the Constitution?
