Seems the farmers like the Trump Welfare programs, most of them voted for him

Originally posted by: Boilerman

I don't generally like government subsidies.  Ethanol, for example, is a government subsidy to farmers, and farmers also get other subsidies....although not as much as you think.  Ethanol production greatly increases corn production within the US.  In case of a major war, we could relatively shift corn for ethanol to food.  We could quickly stimulate oil production via fracking and oil well acidizing.  I view energy and food as the greatest national security needs.  A war can never be won without food or energy.


An interesting opinion piece on ethonal, tend to agree with his piont.

 

For waste and inefficiency, you can’t beat America’s government-forced corn ethanol gas (Opinion) – The Denver Post

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

An interesting opinion piece on ethonal, tend to agree with his piont.

 

For waste and inefficiency, you can’t beat America’s government-forced corn ethanol gas (Opinion) – The Denver Post


It was worth pursuing when the US was dependant on foreign oil before fracking opened up the domestic oil supply.  Now its just a waste that isnt competitive and doesnt assist with national security.   I would agree it should be retired.

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

An interesting opinion piece on ethonal, tend to agree with his piont.

 

For waste and inefficiency, you can’t beat America’s government-forced corn ethanol gas (Opinion) – The Denver Post


The Denver Post's opinion pieces are often rabid MAGA. To call a subsidy program "government-forced" is ludicrous. Unless, of course, there are instances of farmers being thrown in prison for not growing enough corn!

 

It's still a good idea to produce ethanol, because MAGA has been trying to block solar and wind power for decades and we need alternative energy sources.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

The Denver Post's opinion pieces are often rabid MAGA. To call a subsidy program "government-forced" is ludicrous. Unless, of course, there are instances of farmers being thrown in prison for not growing enough corn!

 

It's still a good idea to produce ethanol, because MAGA has been trying to block solar and wind power for decades and we need alternative energy sources.


I think its open to debate how environmentally friendly it is.   The fertlizer from it goes down the Mississippi and pollutes the Gulf Of AMerica with massive kelp blooms that kill marine life and cause air pollution in Florida.   

 

Im not sure if thats better or worse than the BP Oil spill. 


Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

I think its open to debate how environmentally friendly it is.   The fertlizer from it goes down the Mississippi and pollutes the Gulf Of AMerica with massive kelp blooms that kill marine life and cause air pollution in Florida.   

 

Im not sure if thats better or worse than the BP Oil spill. 


Sure. It's not as good as nonpolluting alternative energy sources. But it substitutes for other fossil fuels that are worse. You also don't have to go digging for it.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

The Denver Post's opinion pieces are often rabid MAGA. 


The Denver Post has been the liberal paper in Denver for at least 50 years, it has existed for 132 years, and there have been two conservative papers. The Rocky Mountain News folded in the early 2000's and the current one is The Denver Gazette. They have zero MAGA articles or opinion columnists.

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

The Denver Post has been the liberal paper in Denver for at least 50 years, it has existed for 132 years, and there have been two conservative papers. The Rocky Mountain News folded in the early 2000's and the current one is The Denver Gazette. They have zero MAGA articles or opinion columnists.


 Lewis said  - "The Denver Post's opinion pieces are often rabid MAGA." --  Lewis - why do you lie so much? 

I subscribed to the Post for the better part of a decade (online). I agree that their overall leanings are liberal. But Ive read Trump-loving opinion columns there that would curl your hair. So I dispute your "zero" statement.

 

Furthermore, the particular piece you linked to supports a long-time MAGA babbling point. I lived on the Western Slope. One of the most insanely conservative regions in America, and chock full of "oilmen." Ethanol was a dirty word there, because the oil companies thought it would cut into their profits. The local media heartily agreed.

Edited on May 22, 2025 6:56pm
Originally posted by: David Miller

 Lewis said  - "The Denver Post's opinion pieces are often rabid MAGA." --  Lewis - why do you lie so much? 


Why do you call people liars so much?

 

Have you ever read a single issue of the Denver Post? No? Then you're talking out of your filthy little ass.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Why do you call people liars so much?

 

Have you ever read a single issue of the Denver Post? No? Then you're talking out of your filthy little ass.


  As far as you are concerned, my question was/is appropriate and just. Once again, why do you lie so much? 

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