Still in Mexico with my my Mexican friends Carlos, Ivan, David etc

And if they do...so what? Somebody comes here to eke out a living by picking fruit or making beds in hotel rooms? Or to be with their family? What's the harm?

I'm not buying this law-and-order outrage when you Trumpers excuse the Orange One's breaking the law every single day. The only reason you care about illegals is race hatred. Your "uphold the law" crap is just a smokescreen for that.

If you care so much about the laws of this country, then I'm sure you'll join me in calling for Trump's prosecution.

So kevin is in favor of open borders. 

So are the owners of MaraLago.

There's never been a debate about the need for border security.    The debate surrounds the best method by which to do that.....and then the matter of what to do with the people who have already lived here for 20 years.

Democrats listen to the experts about the best way to stop drug and human trafficking.   Republicans are more concerned about maids and field workers who they believe will raise familys that dont vote for white nationalist candidates in the Republican party...thats the ongoing scare mongering you see on Laura Ingrahms you watch  each night.

Reagan's words:

“Rather than talking about putting up a fence, why don’t we work out some recognition of our mutual problems, make it possible for them to come here legally with a work permit?” Reagan said in a 1980 presidential debate. “And then while they’re working and earning here, they pay taxes here. And when they want to go back, they can go back.”

This makes sense - allow folks to come here with a work permit which does a background check.  These people are here to work and inelligible to EVER vote or collect government benefits.

Next, we need to address the "anchor-baby" question.  The law presently allows it and provides benefits for the children of people visiting the United States.   

The key is there is NO GOVERNMENT BENEFITS should be allowed for people who aren't citizens or legal residents.  Free Healthcare for people vitising the country is, IMHO, insane.   Housing subsidies, unemployment, social security, pubic education, earned income credit, and SNAP are not programs that should be eligible for "visitors".  Are you eligible for these benefits when visiting Switzerland or China?   I think not.

Ha! That is exactly what I told you conservatives reflexively say whenever anyone objects to our current cruel immigration practices. "YEW DOESN"T LIKE DAT, YEW MUST WANT OPUN BORDERZ!!!"

I'm in favor of solving the problem humanely, rather than treating these people as foul invaders who are an existential threat to our country. And yes, I'm in favor of allowing them to stay if they've settled in and are working and surviving and don't have a criminal record (other than being an illegal immigrant).

Actually, many progressive countries allow visitors to access benefits. Several years ago, I got sick in London, and the NHS treated me. No cost.

You seem to have missed Reagan's point. People working here on permits, visas, etc. are paying taxes. Therefore, they should have access to benefits--especially since they're paying into some systems, like social security, from which they will never benefit.

The "anchor baby" issue is just something that conservatives like to wave in the air when they want to get all the old nasties riled up about "THEM MESSKINS IS TAKIN' OVER!!!!" The rule is that anyone born here is a citizen. What, really, is wrong with that? (Answer in terms other than race hatred, please.)

It all comes down to do you impose strict criteria for benefits, which slows down the whole process, adds several layers of bureaucracy, and imposes massive costs, or do you say, just give 'em to everybody and the heck with it? It might actually cost less to do that than to put everybody under a microscope.

Would London have allowed you to go to the hospital a second time, or a third time cost free over a number of years?   Are you sure your insurance company wasn't charged?   

A work permit allows one to work in a country, not live there for life.   If you pay into social security and are eligible for benefits by the rules of the country (in the USA, that is paying for 10+ years), you should be able to collect the benefits you have due.  

The real question with the anchor babies is what happens to their parents?  IMHO, if the parents dragged the kids in illegally, the parents should get a work permit if they want to stay.  How racist of me!

Kids brought into the country should also have a work permit, because if they stay, they will someday work in the country.   People already here should be able to apply for a work permit in the country without going back to their home countries.  Work permits should have a fee that more than pay for their administative costs. Maybe $200 per person / $500 per family which is far less than people pay coyottes today. 

Those found without a valid work permit or having overstayed a Visa should be fined heavily - Maybe $2000 per person.  If they cannot pay, they will be unable to collect any tax refund checks, social security, or other government payments.  Employers found to be employing people without a valid social security number or work permit should be finded $20,000 per occurance.

Problem solved in a human manner --- without a wall.

So putting all your obfuscation aside, you want to heavily fine people who come here to work.

That would probably work if you hate Hispanics and wish to chase them out. However, would that actually be beneficial? If they're working (and the vast majority of them are), they're producing goods and services. They're also customers. They contribute to the economy. Isn't that a net positive?

Of course, Republicans know all that. But for them, race hatred takes precedence.