Sympathy for Farmers?

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Oh, and Candy, I wanted to mention in passing why HORRIBUL GUMMINT SPENDIN' on food assistance programs is actually wise economic policy. It's a simple concept called the economic multiplier effect. A product is manufactured or grown, and sold for $X, which adds wealth for both the buyer and the seller. The buyer and the seller then engage in additional transactions. The effect "multiplies." Wealth is created where there was none.

 

In the case of SNAP," the process is put in motion when poor people are given money to buy food. That money comes from the taxpayers, but it stays in the economy and WORKS. Unlike the billionaire tax money that they now can put in the basement vault.

 

MAGAs don't comprehend this, and Trump least of all. He truly thinks that everything (EVERYTHING) is a zero-sum game. In order for me to win, you must lose. He and MAGA truly do not fathom that there can be two winners in a transaction. One of our more frequent idiots doesn't comprehend that government spending can produce a net gain for the economy, even (especially!) if it's "just" some kind of "giveaway" to the supposedly undeserving.

 

You've probably heard of the proposed programs where poor people are simply given $1000 a month, no strings attached. Many economists have said that this benefitted the local economy far more than the amount of the expenditure.

 

That's a fundamental truth that MAGA can never, never grasp. Compassion and generosity can be good business as well as good ethics. They think it's either-or.

 


Kevin talks about the economic multipliar effect.  This is real, assuming that value is created.  Kevin argues that hiring two people...one who digs a hole, and the other who fills the same hole creates value.  It does not.

 

Hundreds of Arkansas farmers ask for welfare checks

 

Its not an "opinion" that farm labor is difficult to find given the ongoing purge of farm workers who people like Tom insist can easily be replaced by US citizens.    There are countless tales of farmers confirming the oppositte.

 

The USAid cuts directly hurt farmers.   thats not an opinion

The trade wars make farmers' goods less desirable abroad....and make their input costs for things like fertilizer higher.   Thats not opinion.

 

Part of me feels sympathy for farmers.    But I was also sympathetic to people with college debt who were dismissed by those same farmers who didnt think their tax dollars should be used to bail out school teachers, social workers, and single moms with professional careers.    So maybe they are entitled to the same amount of sympathy they showed when the shoe was on the other foot.

 

Joe Biden gave farmers broadband access.  Trump is giving them bankruptcy - and they still waive their MAGA hats.     On the bright side - that trans kid in Oregon cant play on the Volleyball team anymore.   

Edited on Sep 6, 2025 6:39pm
Originally posted by: Boilerman

Kevin talks about the economic multipliar effect.  This is real, assuming that value is created.  Kevin argues that hiring two people...one who digs a hole, and the other who fills the same hole creates value.  It does not.


That's not an example of the economic multiplier effect, because neither person is creating anything. Your stupid tactic of putting words in other people's mouths is foolish and makes you look like a jerk.

Tom and some of the cons wanted proof that farmers are hurting or that it could get that bad that quickly.  All one has to do is take a look at John Deere. 

 

Trump's tariffs are going to cost them 600 million dollars this year and their sales are rapidly declining at the same time their customers, farmers, are being squeezed by Trump's tariff and immigration policy. 

 

In a nutshell, they are being forced to raise prices as demand for their product crashes. Or as Tom and Brent would put it smart economic policy designed to boost domestic manufacturing. 😂 


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/04/business/john-deere-tractor-sales-down-farmers-struggle.html

 

Edited on Sep 8, 2025 5:04am

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

 

Hundreds of Arkansas farmers ask for welfare checks

 

Its not an "opinion" that farm labor is difficult to find given the ongoing purge of farm workers who people like Tom insist can easily be replaced by US citizens.    There are countless tales of farmers confirming the oppositte.

 

The USAid cuts directly hurt farmers.   thats not an opinion

The trade wars make farmers' goods less desirable abroad....and make their input costs for things like fertilizer higher.   Thats not opinion.

 

Part of me feels sympathy for farmers.    But I was also sympathetic to people with college debt who were dismissed by those same farmers who didnt think their tax dollars should be used to bail out school teachers, social workers, and single moms with professional careers.    So maybe they are entitled to the same amount of sympathy they showed when the shoe was on the other foot.

 

Joe Biden gave farmers broadband access.  Trump is giving them bankruptcy - and they still waive their MAGA hats.     On the bright side - that trans kid in Oregon cant play on the Volleyball team anymore.   


So many great things are happening.  

Originally posted by: Boilerman

So many great things are happening.  


Yep! Massive inflation, job losses that we haven't seen since the pandemic, crops rotting in the fields because the workers who harvest them have been driven away by Trump's Gestapo, nationwide tourist visitation is massively down, businesses everywhere are permanently closing, and the entire world hates our guts.

 

Clap your hands!

Soybean farmers - ZERO orders from biggest buyer, China

 

Another Kentucky industry suffers at the hands of Trump.  This one is a repeat from his first term.    You're a special kind of moron if you get burnt once and then vote for the same burner again.

 

Kentucky was already the food stamp capital of the country.    Now its going to be even worse.

 

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Soybean farmers - ZERO orders from biggest buyer, China

 

Another Kentucky industry suffers at the hands of Trump.  This one is a repeat from his first term.    You're a special kind of moron if you get burnt once and then vote for the same burner again.

 

Kentucky was already the food stamp capital of the country.    Now its going to be even worse.

 


Thanks, PJ.  Soybeans have so many uses, not just bowls of beans.

 

Candy

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

Thanks, PJ.  Soybeans have so many uses, not just bowls of beans.

 

Candy


My knowledge of farming is limited, but I do know that in most cases, a farmer has to commit to what crops he will grow in Year 2 by the end of Year 1's harvest. So these Trump-licking fools wouldn't have had enough time to convert from soybeans to something else by the time they found out that the Turd with Tariffs was coming back.

 

And he didn't talk much about tariffs during his campaign. He only made vague but grandiose promises about how he was going to "create" the bestest most wonderfulest economy in the history of the galaxy. The MAGA farmers' crops were in the ground long before they learned that there would be no one to harvest them and no one to sell them to.

 

Just like during his first term, the fucking Turd will be forced to implement a farmer welfare program, using taxpayer dollars to compensate for his idiot mistakes. Then the surviving farmers will have to ask themselves: what crops should we plant now?

 

The rest of us need to stock up on canned food, as we'll need to get a bank loan before going to the grocery store. And be sure to congratulate every MAGA you meet.

Pennsylvania dairy farmers cant find any workers

 

Another good one !    Farmer dipshit voted for the candidate who vowed to deport 10 million immigrants.

Now farmer dipshit cant find any immigrant workers.     Dont ya just feel bad for Farmer Dipshit ?

 

Almost.

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