Texas bill requiring Ten Commandments in classrooms heads to governor’s desk

 Why is this an issue? Why do DemocRats oppose every common sense issue? --The Texas House passed Senate Bill 10 (SB 10) in an 88-49 vote on Sunday after a week of intense debate, with Democrats unsuccessfully proposing amendments to scale it back. The legislation mandates that public elementary and secondary school classrooms display a framed or poster-sized copy of the Ten Commandments, at least 16 by 20 inches, using language specified in the bill. Republican Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick championed the measure, saying it ensures “students receive the same foundational moral compass as our state and country’s forefathers.”https://mxmnews.com/article/8113e910-a2b7-41a2-a576-a84cde8b8d3e?texas-bill-requiring-ten-commandments-in-classrooms-heads-to-governor-s-desk

So much for freedom of religion!

 

There will be kids everywhere who will have the choice between reciting a piece of religious dogma they don't believe in and remaining silent and being ostracized.

 

Freedom of religion is freedom FROM religion. No one should be forced to engage in the rites and rituals of any religion. Period.

 

I know Millerscum will argue against this basic freedom that is enshrined in the Constitution.

Originally posted by: David Miller

 Why is this an issue? Why do DemocRats oppose every common sense issue? 


For some people, it would be this:

 

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

 

It's not common sense at all, it's religious dogma.

This is going to go in front of the SC again, as Louisiana and Arkansas have already passed this for their schools, and other states like Texas, are pushing for it as well.  

 

I get that the separation of church and state is a big thing, since it is in the Constitution, but every morning the students at our school (public middle school in Riverside, CA) say the pledge, which has "One nation, under God", in it.  No one makes a big deal about this, and if students don't want to say it, they don't have to.

 

We also have a Christian Club (called Exodus), and it isn't unusual to see students praying at times on campus, as well as at sports contests.  No one is REQUIRING these things to happen, it's the choice of the students to engage or not.  

 

We also teach in our 7th grade classes about Christianity and it's roots in various civilizations, as well as Islam, and the 5 pillars. (Part of the Califonia Soc. Studies Curriculum).  Having a poster of the Ten Commandments can't be any worse than  having a poster of the 5 Pillars of Islam in a classroom.  

 

Just because it is posted, doesn't mean a teacher has to refer to it or teacher about it, IMO.   Will also be interesting to see the ramifications this has on teachers that refuse or attempt to refuse to post it. 


The first Commandment orders all who read/hear it to worship the Christian God. It doesn't say "Unless you don't want to." It's an ORDER, as in, commandment.

 

Do you think grade school kids have the sophistication and wisdom to differentiate between this order and all the other orders they are expected to obey?

 

Suppose a student is an atheist? Suppose a student is a believer in a religion with other deities, such as Hinduism or Shinto? Suppose a student is a Native American? Should they be subjected to that command?

 

If the class is told to read aloud (recite) the Ten Commandments (and you KNOW that will happen), what will happen to the student who remains silent? Retribution? Ostracism?

 

It's a horrible law--and blatantly unconstitutional.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

The first Commandment orders all who read/hear it to worship the Christian God. It doesn't say "Unless you don't want to." It's an ORDER, as in, commandment.

 

Do you think grade school kids have the sophistication and wisdom to differentiate between this order and all the other orders they are expected to obey?

 

Suppose a student is an atheist? Suppose a student is a believer in a religion with other deities, such as Hinduism or Shinto? Suppose a student is a Native American? Should they be subjected to that command?

 

If the class is told to read aloud (recite) the Ten Commandments (and you KNOW that will happen), what will happen to the student who remains silent? Retribution? Ostracism?

 

It's a horrible law--and blatantly unconstitutional.


This is why it will not make it past the Supreme Court without being deemed unconstitutional, IMO.  

 

Posting it is way different than teaching it, though.  

Originally posted by: Edso

This is why it will not make it past the Supreme Court without being deemed unconstitutional, IMO.  

 

Posting it is way different than teaching it, though.  


That's where I completely disagree. Posting it IS teaching it--just as a putting up a poster with any other order, admonishment, or statement would be. 

 

As far as what SCOTUS will do--of course, they should reject the Texas law in a heartbeat. But they're MAGA. A good dozen or so of their recent decisions have been utterly ridiculous and were nothing but showing fealty to Trump. That said, they have mildly rebuked him a few times.

Originally posted by: Edso

 

I get that the separation of church and state is a big thing, since it is in the Constitution, but every morning the students at our school (public middle school in Riverside, CA) say the pledge, which has "One nation, under God", in it.  No one makes a big deal about this, and if students don't want to say it, they don't have to.

 "One nation under god" was added to the pledge in 1954, during the height of McCarthyism, not I very good example of adhering to the Constitution.

 

  Having a poster of the Ten Commandments can't be any worse than  having a poster of the 5 Pillars of Islam in a classroom.  

 

 


It's not about it being worse, it's about promoting a specific religion by the state of Texas. Teach it, along with other religions as an intellectual undertaking, no need for religious propaganda and dogma being forced on people who aren't interested.

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

It's not about it being worse, it's about promoting a specific religion by the state of Texas. Teach it, along with other religions as an intellectual undertaking, no need for religious propaganda and dogma being forced on people who aren't interested.


Texas: ugly landscape. Check.

 

Nasty, stupid people. Check.

 

Horrible weather. Check.

 

Racist society. Check.

 

Rabid MAGA government. Check.

 

And now--total disregard for the Constitution!! Why did we let them back into the US, exactly?

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Texas: ugly landscape. Check.

 

Nasty, stupid people. Check.

 

Horrible weather. Check.

 

Racist society. Check.

 

Rabid MAGA government. Check.

 

And now--total disregard for the Constitution!! Why did we let them back into the US, exactly?


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