That didn't take long--Elon jumps ship

Originally posted by: Nines

 

 

Former Democratic president Bill Clinton and administration from 1993 - 2001 ( two terms) displaced 425,000 Fed employees by September 2001 in their attempts to increase government efficiency / cut waste by employing some of the identical tactics that DOGE has recently.  Look it up.

 

 


Seems that this is a false equivalency, according to your post, Clinton accomplished that over 8 years, Trump used an unelected person to do it in 5 months. Thoughts? No need for 5 paragraphs, a simple yes or no is good.

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

Seems that this is a false equivalency, according to your post, Clinton accomplished that over 8 years, Trump used an unelected person to do it in 5 months. Thoughts? No need for 5 paragraphs, a simple yes or no is good.


I didn't make any direct comparison, just the overall intent comparison. No time equitability was intended or inferred.

Originally posted by: Nines

I didn't make any direct comparison, just the overall intent comparison. No time equitability was intended or inferred.


You made an implied comparison, which you intended to bolster your false equivalence argument: "Yeah, Dems do it too, look at Clinton, belch grunt snort."

 

Clinton's intent wasn't to enrich himself or an unelected billionaire crony. It wasn't to desperately try to repair a huge deficit caused by his tax policies. And it wasn't indiscriminate or arbitrary. So much for your "intent comparison."

 

The simple fact is that the idiot destructive shit caused by Musk/DOGE has no comparison in US history. Soviet history during Stalin's reign, perhaps.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Sounds like you don't have a legitimate answer. The David Miller escape hatch--pitch insults.

 

I keep making the mistake of talking to MAGA as if they were intelligent. That's like asking a jockey to dunk a basketball.


Typical combative, insultive, and judgemental post from you, too. Derogatory response 

toward anybody who makes a comment regarding the debt concern (or an issue you don't align with), for instance. In other words, you just can't be bothered with the debt level and potential consequences. You like debt apparently. Your solution diatribe ("debt, debt. debt. DEBT< DEBT> DEBT.."etc.) was also combative and insultive. It's all you have, summarily. Can't discuss anything with you because of your arrogantly omnicient snarkiness on all subjects. 

 

If I gave a damn about discussing this with you based on your response, I'd ask what your base corporate tax rate would be for the big companies adjusted for the changes in the base economy today vs pre-Turd as you call it. The conditions are vastly different. Would that be 39% for companies with profits of over $10 M? Or..what? And you're of course certain that would generate $2T in revenue with the current known economy?

 

Secondly, you can't make this a nonpartisan issue..that's impossible.

 

Thirdly, do you think with the current debt load, inflation ,  and interest rates we can just carry an infinite amount of additional debt over and above our current situation.?

 

Further, you didn't mention one spending cut in your solution mix ; imo you just can't get there without some reduced spending. Set my dumpster on fire and call me a conservative.

 

 


Make your own choices, Kevin. I don't care what you do or think. And if I was attempting to make these employee displacements 'equivalent', I wouldn't have posted the time intervals involved to attain them (the DOGE time interval was pretty obvious).

Edited on May 31, 2025 8:22pm
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Better way to balance the budget?

 

 

 

 

-Lowest hanging fruit is to go after the 600 billion on unfiled tax returns.   That requires hiring more IRS agents instead firing them

 

-Carried interest tax.   Trump was for that at one point.    Not sure what happend.

-Get rid of Pharmacy benefit mngrs.   Trump was for that at one point.  Not sure what happened.

-Continue to lower drug prices in Medicare

-Adopt a healthcare system similar to the one used by the rest of the industiralized world which costs half as much as ours.  You would cut Medicare and Medicaid spending in half right there.  It also makes it alot harder to commit fraud.

-Have universal tax brackets for all kinds of income so people who collect dividends pay the same rate as people who collect pay checks.

-Carve out provisions on military spending which allows the Pentagon to reject Congressional Bills that spend money on things the Pentagon doesnt want.

 

 

Just off the top of my head/

 


All reasonable..including the tone of response.

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

Seems that this is a false equivalency, according to your post, Clinton accomplished that over 8 years, Trump used an unelected person to do it in 5 months. Thoughts? No need for 5 paragraphs, a simple yes or no is good.


Max..Is the debt status a problem from your perspective..or not?

Originally posted by: Nines

Typical combative, insultive, and judgemental post from you, too. Derogatory response 

toward anybody who makes a comment regarding the debt concern (or an issue you don't align with), for instance. In other words, you just can't be bothered with the debt level and potential consequences. You like debt apparently. Your solution diatribe ("debt, debt. debt. DEBT< DEBT> DEBT.."etc.) was also combative and insultive. It's all you have, summarily. Can't discuss anything with you because of your arrogantly omnicient snarkiness on all subjects. 

 

If I gave a damn about discussing this with you based on your response, I'd ask what your base corporate tax rate would be for the big companies adjusted for the changes in the base economy today vs pre-Turd as you call it. The conditions are vastly different. Would that be 39% for companies with profits of over $10 M? Or..what? And you're of course certain that would generate $2T in revenue with the current known economy?

 

Secondly, you can't make this a nonpartisan issue..that's impossible.

 

Thirdly, do you think with the current debt load, inflation ,  and interest rates we can just carry an infinite amount of additional debt over and above our current situation.?

 

Further, you didn't mention one spending cut in your solution mix ; imo you just can't get there without some reduced spending. Set my dumpster on fire and call me a conservative.

 

 


Firstly, I did mention my target corporate tax rate--what it was pre-Turd. Obviously, some adjustments can and should be made. But first and foremost, the gaping wound caused by the Turd's giveaway should be closed.

 

Secondly, because I'm a Democrat, I don't consider bipartisan consensus on anything to be impossible. You're a hard-line Republican, and I know that a major element of the brand is absolutely fealty to your gang and its master--and anyone who strays from the herd is stoned to death as an apostate. Nonetheless, compromise is in fact possible.

 

Thirdly, that's a stupid question--of course we can't carry an "infinite" amount of debt. I tried to educate you that the amount of debt isn't as important as the cost of carrying it. I guess that zoomed over your head. If we have to pay higher interest--for example, if Turdiffs weaken the dollar--then yes, we could be in some trouble. Then maybe we'd HAVE to jack corporate taxes back up.

 

Further, I did in fact mention spending cuts--to programs that have little utilitarian value. And yes, there are quite a few. MAGA MAGA MAGA wastefraudabuse belch grunt snort.

 

Ya see, I ain't just for dat horrible liberal SPENDIN' just for its own sake. I want the greatest good for the greatest number. And yes, I consider making people's lives longer, happier, and more productive worth paying DAT HORRIBUL INTEREST. Even if you can't attach a dollar value to those lives.

I've been avoiding your circle jerk here in the outhouse, but he was an SGE, Special Government Employee with a limit of 130 days.  His time was up at the end of May.  Are you becoming more retarded daily?  Did you get another booster?  Good lord, your posts are as bad as David's.  I still think you two are the same idiot, posting both sides just to keep this festering pool of diarrhea stirred.

Edited on Jun 1, 2025 4:11am
Originally posted by: Nines

Max..Is the debt status a problem from your perspective..or not?


Yes, but Doge is not the solution because of the inefficient, shotgun approach they used. 

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