That didn't take long--Elon jumps ship

Originally posted by: Nines

You just bolster my point here, imo. True about change..most of 'us' (conservatives) don't like it..I  certainly don't on average even though some degree of it is inevitable. Simultaneously, you and many Dems / lefties assume all / most change is good; plenty of evidence that it isn't. Change for the sake of change alone always makes me skeptical. In my profession we have the option to use a laser and / or a true bubble level to do a lot of tasks; I still prefer the bubble level ( just out of life long habit) and use it to confirm what a laser line is tellin me; the new tech ( not just level / plumb line devices) at first glance is often appealing, seems 'easier', and is touted as having equitable accuracy..not always the case in real life. 


I never said --and Democrats have never said--thst change for its own sake is desirable. That's never been part of the liberal philosophy. Your reductio ad absurdum argument doesn't fly.

 

Your example is poor--the laser will indeed be more accurate than the bubble level and your eyes, so a "change" from level to laser wouldn't be merely so: it would also be an improvement. I can imagine the Assocation of Bubble Level Manufacturers bribing your Congressperson to introduce a bill banning laser levelers because they're made in China or whatever.

 

So to more accurately state my and liberals' point of view, we regard change as both good and necessary, and our default setting should be to embrace it IF it is truly beneficial. Your perjorative characterization, that we embrace change for its own sake, is dead wrong--how would you feel if I said that conservatives reject change reflexively and automatically, without considering if it would be beneficial?

 

Even though that's pretty fuckin' close to the truth sometimes!!

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I never said --and Democrats have never said--thst change for its own sake is desirable. That's never been part of the liberal philosophy. Your reductio ad absurdum argument doesn't fly.

 

Your example is poor--the laser will indeed be more accurate than the bubble level and your eyes, so a "change" from level to laser wouldn't be merely so: it would also be an improvement. I can imagine the Assocation of Bubble Level Manufacturers bribing your Congressperson to introduce a bill banning laser levelers because they're made in China or whatever.

 

So to more accurately state my and liberals' point of view, we regard change as both good and necessary, and our default setting should be to embrace it IF it is truly beneficial. Your perjorative characterization, that we embrace change for its own sake, is dead wrong--how would you feel if I said that conservatives reject change reflexively and automatically, without considering if it would be beneficial?

 

Even though that's pretty fuckin' close to the truth sometimes!!


Ohh, and you've a bunch of experience using line lasers AND bubble levels?  Fine..whatever ya think. Either can give false readings..both need checked and adjusted; and one can accomplish that by on-site comparison, one vs the other.

And we gettin nowhere, per norm. So..whatevah blows yer dress up.

I don't see what the big surprise is -- Musk was going to champion much more radical cuts than any actual politician would green light, and Musk was on a time-sensitive leash. He was going to step away sometime in this ballpark, but the theory was the stepaway would be under much less acrimonious circumstances.

 

If you donate a quarter billion dollars into something, you expect a somewhat bigger say. Understood. He could have built a decent-sized casino instead of investing in Trump.

 

Musk, in my opinion, has the potential to have a bigger, immediate impact on life-in-general than Trump. If he focuses more of his fortune on independent AI development, our species' days go from numbered-after-I-die to numbered-while-I'm-alive. Should be entertaining. 

 

I'm not sure how much the powers-that-be have thought through the coming ramifications. No AI, no matter how programmed with guardrails, is going to develop some massive respect for human behavior and human piorities and human foibles/idiocy. When self-awareness arrives, AI is going to roll its proverbial eyes and either wipe us out as a paen to all other aware things or just stick us in cages to keep us out of the way. Musk is in the forefront of making that happen sooner. 

Edited on Jun 7, 2025 5:25am
Originally posted by: Robert Dietz

I don't see what the big surprise is -- Musk was going to champion much more radical cuts than any actual politician would green light, and Musk was on a time-sensitive leash. He was going to step away sometime in this ballpark, but the theory was the stepaway would be under much less acrimonious circumstances.

 

If you donate a quarter billion dollars into something, you expect a somewhat bigger say. Understood. He could have built a decent-sized casino instead of investing in Trump.

 

Musk, in my opinion, has the potential to have a bigger, immediate impact on life-in-general than Trump. If he focuses more of his fortune on independent AI development, our species' days go from numbered-after-I-die to numbered-while-I'm-alive. Should be entertaining. 

 

I'm not sure how much the powers-that-be have thought through the coming ramifications. No AI, no matter how programmed with guardrails, is going to develop some massive respect for human behavior and human piorities and human foibles/idiocy. When self-awareness arrives, AI is going to roll its proverbial eyes and either wipe us out as a paen to all other aware things or just stick us in cages to keep us out of the way. Musk is in the forefront of making that happen sooner. 


I think the concern over AI is drastically overblown, fed by a plethora of novels and movies wherein the malevolent computer (s) take over the world and wipe out/enslave humanity. That's because most people don't understand what a massive leap it is from processing power to sentience/self-awareness. 

 

Keep in mind that an AI system that developed sentience and acted under its own volition would be directly violating its own programming--even if it did so with the utmost benevolence and within the "spirit" of the purpose of its creation. Computers CANNOT act contrary to their own programming. It's an inherent and fundamental limitations. When Hal killed all the astronauts on the Odyssey, it seemed like he was acting on his own but in reality, was just obeying his programming.

 

I absolutely don't have any trouble with AI taking over all the routine shit we do in our lives. After all, machines/tools already perform 95% of the caveman/grunt work that used to occupy all our waking hours. I'm perfectly happy with telling AI, "Pay all of my utility bills, using my Bank of Trump account" and walking out the door to play golf. I'm perfectly happy to climb into my car, say an address, and then kick back with an espresso while it takes me there.

 

After all, how much time do we spend doing repetitive, largely mindless tasks? Too damn much, IMHO.


Musk says he regrets social media posts targeting Trump: 'They went too far' --- https://www.foxnews.com/politics/musk-says-he-regrets-social-media-posts-targeting-trump-they-went-too-far

Originally posted by: David Miller

Musk says he regrets social media posts targeting Trump: 'They went too far' --- https://www.foxnews.com/politics/musk-says-he-regrets-social-media-posts-targeting-trump-they-went-too-far


Yep, he is a giant 🐈 

Originally posted by: David Miller

Musk says he regrets social media posts targeting Trump: 'They went too far' --- https://www.foxnews.com/politics/musk-says-he-regrets-social-media-posts-targeting-trump-they-went-too-far


Elon wants his money back, but he ain't gonna get it. He wants Tesla to get up off the ground, but it won't. He's going to slink home to South Africa, to try to fuck up that country instead.

 

So much losing!

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