That horrible Iran Nuclear deal

The Obama Administration (in a union with Western Europe and Russia) struck a deal with Iran that halted its nuclear progam in exchange for allowing Iran to access Western trade and have access to its own money that had previously been locked in Western Banks.

 

Trump touted it as the worst deal ever.   (C'mon, Lets be honest - he never read it)    

 

So now we have the new and improved deal:   Iran keeps all of its money as originally granted from the prior deal....but the embargo is back on and Iran has free license to enrich as much uranium as they want.    And they are.

 

I believe the word everyone is looking for is.....Winning !

 

 

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

The Obama Administration (in a union with Western Europe and Russia) struck a deal with Iran that halted its nuclear progam in exchange for allowing Iran to access Western trade and have access to its own money that had previously been locked in Western Banks.

 

Trump touted it as the worst deal ever.   (C'mon, Lets be honest - he never read it)    

 

So now we have the new and improved deal:   Iran keeps all of its money as originally granted from the prior deal....but the embargo is back on and Iran has free license to enrich as much uranium as they want.    And they are.

 

I believe the word everyone is looking for is.....Winning !

 

 


But he got Kim to promise to think about halting his nuclear program in the future in exchange for us granting Kim big conessessions. 

Is Pj referring to the deal that Iran has been violating for years?

 

From the Hill in Oct 17

 

Yet the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) recently stated that it could not verify that Iran was “fully implementing the agreement” by not engaging in activities that would allow it to make a nuclear explosive device. Yukiya Amano of the IAEA told Reuters that when it comes to inspections, which are stipulated in Section T of the agreement, “our tools are limited.” Amano continued to say: “In other sections, for example, Iran has committed to submit declarations, place their activities under safeguards or ensure access by us. But in Section T, I don’t see any (such commitment).”

There is nothing in you article that says Iran violated anything.

 

But Iran was in compliance with the nuclear deal as recent as last year according to your same reporting source.       

Reuters

 

 

So it begs the question.....why is a nuclear Iran preferable to COnservatives vs a non-nuclear Iran?  I mean, aside form the fact that the Obama administration was responsible for the the latter?

 

 

 

 

 

 


I can see why Tom didn't provide a link to his article. Nevertheless, I was able to find it in Google. Just like Don Diego, Tom left off the most relevant part of his article.

 

BY ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR 

 

Really Tom? One of Trump's butt boys?

 

I note our own intelligence agencies came to the conclusion that the agreement was working when Trump canceled it.

Edited on Jun 17, 2019 3:46pm

In PJ's post the Reuters article says in summary that they think Iran sort of didn't violate the deal.

 

Iran has violated the deal by mutiple firings of missiles.  In addition more info from the Dershowitz article, which mark is invited to prove anything in the article is incorrect;

 

"It is well established that Tehran has consistently denied IAEA inspectors access to military sites and other research locations. This is in direct contravention to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action(JCPOA) and bipartisan legislation set out by Congress, which compels the president to verify that “Iran is transparently, verifiably, and fully implementing the agreement.” Yet, according to the Institute for Science and International Security, as of the last quarterly report released in August, the IAEA had not visited any military site in Iran since implementation day.

For its part, the IAEA has been complicit in allowing Tehran to circumvent the agreement and act as a law unto itself. Consider that after the deal was negotiated with the five permanent U.N. Security Council members, it was revealed that Tehran and the IAEA had entered into a secret agreement which allowed the Iranian regime to carry out its own nuclear trace testing at the Parchin complex, a site long suspected of being a nuclear testing ground, and would report back to the IAEA with “selective” videos and photos. This arrangement, which went behind the back of Congress, is especially suspect when considered in light of the Iranian regime’s history of duplicity"

 

 

 

 

Thats right, Tom.   The nuclear deal allowed us to send inspectors to Iran's nuclear enrichment sites - not their military bases.    The latter point has been a common complaint from the FOX News crowd (and your opinion writer) since its inception....but they are both wroing to say it somehow circumvents the deal.   The agreement was never to demilitarize Iran which is the strawman argument the right has somehow tried to throw into the ether.

 

What we do know is this - Iran was complying with the halt of weapons grade nuclear material.   That was verified.   That was never in question.    And now they've started again.

 

because Trump's solution for Iran was the same solution he had for healthcare....just alot of complaining and an empty box.    And the countdown for a nuclearized Iran has started again.

Originally posted by: Mark

I can see why Tom didn't provide a link to his article. Nevertheless, I was able to find it in Google. Just like Don Diego, Tom left off the most relevant part of his article.

 

BY ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR 

 

Really Tom? One of Trump's butt boys?

 

I note our own intelligence agencies came to the conclusion that the agreement was working when Trump canceled it.


Actually one of Biden's Butt boys...

 

“I like Joe Biden. I’ve liked him for a long time, and I could enthusiastically support Joe Biden.” Over Donald Trump, Abrams asked? “Over Donald Trump, yeah.”

 

What did this so called deal really do?  Did it permanently stop Iran's nuclear weapon ambitions?  Absolutely not. It just kicked the can down the road for someone else to deal with....while Obama took a victory lap. 

 

"Iran announced its readiness to enrich uranium on an "industrial scale" starting in 2025. Iran's Atomic Energy Organization said in a statement, "The President of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran has been tasked with taking all necessary steps in preparation for Iran to pursue industrial-scale enrichment without any restrictions, using the results of the latest research and development of Iran's brave nuclear scientists"  And this is all perfectly ok according to the terms of the deal.  Brilliant deal.

 

And what about that money?  We allowed Iran to access Billions of Dollars. Was it used to invest in it's people?  No.  It funded their malign involvement in Syria, Yeman and support for Terrorist Groups around the world ...and lined the pockets of the fascist mullah jew haters that run that country.  For many years our State Department has identified Iran as the world's number 1 state sponser of terrorism.  Did the deal address that in any way?  Nope.

 

So...we had them on the ropes.  And they agreed to change their behavior?  Absolutely not. They agreed to make a bomb in 2025.  That's one hell of a deal...for them.

 

Finally, no one...especially Iran should be shocked we pulled out of this horrible agreement.  Back in 2015 47 US Senators warned Iran directly and the entire world that this deal was being made with President Obama and did not hold the force of a treaty, or any kind of formal signed agreement.  It was as good as Obama's term in office and that's it.  Now it's over.  Praise Allah!  

"Thats right, Tom.   The nuclear deal allowed us to send inspectors to Iran's nuclear enrichment sites - not their military bases.    The latter point has been a common complaint from the FOX News crowd (and your opinion writer) since its inception....but they are both wroing to say it somehow circumvents the deal. "

 

It provided a giant loophole for Iran to circumvent the deal & to continue to develop nuclear weapons.  Thus a bad deal & the US was right to pull out of it.

Originally posted by: tom

"Thats right, Tom.   The nuclear deal allowed us to send inspectors to Iran's nuclear enrichment sites - not their military bases.    The latter point has been a common complaint from the FOX News crowd (and your opinion writer) since its inception....but they are both wroing to say it somehow circumvents the deal. "

 

It provided a giant loophole for Iran to circumvent the deal & to continue to develop nuclear weapons.  Thus a bad deal & the US was right to pull out of it.


What loophole would that be?  

 

The deal gave the IAEA  access to anyplace where uranium was being enriched.   Period.    Republicans (and you) have since added some other fictional clause to the agreement that was never in there -  and claim Iran is not complying with your fictional deal.

 

The facts are pretty simple.  Iran halted its military nuclear program under the deal....and now its back on in full force.   

 

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