A thread for the adults: Democratic strategy

We've had this discussion before, on other threads, until our resident Trump toddlers came in and started screaming and throwing things. I'm not so naive as to believe that just because they have nothing useful or meaningful to say, that will keep them away this time. However, let's try to have an adult discussion for as long as we can.

Stalker will scream and call everyone a liar. Tom will cite some irrelevant statistic from an alt-right "source" and expose his complete misunderstanding. The other Trumper scum will probably chime in, too. We can't stop it, any more than we can prevent ants at a picnic (I admit, comparing Trumpers to ants is insulting the intelligence of ants).

My question is: what should Democratic strategy be? 1) Unabashedly promote progressivism and damn the torpedoes; 2) Try to be "moderate" with the idea of not alienating swing voters and bringing about incremental change.

The Party has definitely been on Track #2 for some time now, but of course, we have some pretty popular candidates who want Track #1. The decent people on this board (i.e., not the Trumpers) seem to have divergent opinions on this. I, for one, haven't made up my mind. So what do you think? Be vanilla or be full-throated liberal? What should the Party do, re this election and post-Trump as well?

Note: please do not even respond to the Trump toddlers when they inevitably come in and start pooping on the floor. Doing so serves no purpose and just encourages them.

What should be done? How about pulling your head(s) out of your asses and accept reality? That would be a start. As for the current group of DemocRats, they should gather up all of their ill gotten money and resign to go rot in hell.

7 minutes.

Not bad, . . . not bad at all.  Poor old DonDiego has seen faster, but not bad.

I honestly dont care beyond picking the candidate most likely to beat Trump.     I have opinions on the issues but I've learned to be cynical about doing anything big which is largely prevented by special interests.    Until the money leaves politics nothing substantial will get done.

The best we can truly hope for is a president who picks fair judges, an EPA administrator that isn't in the pocket of the fossil fuel industry, an educaton secretary that believes in public education, an energy secretary that knows what that department does,  an attorney general that works for the people instead of the president's agenda, and an ICE department that isn't run by White Supremecists.

If we're lucky we might get a better tax system that serves the middle class and fills in the deficit left by Republicans. ...and  maybe a pathway to citizenship for the ladies who clean your room in Vegas.  And thats about it

If you think we're getting universal healthcare, universal childcare, tuition reimbusement, or any kind of serious infrastructure you are dreaming.    Sad but true.    Bernie's army of young people will go back to the keg party the day after he's elected just like they did with Obama.

My question is: what should Democratic strategy be? 1) Unabashedly promote progressivism and damn the torpedoes; 2) Try to be "moderate" with the idea of not alienating swing voters and bringing about incremental change.

I am happy to let the primaries determine the correct path forward as long as it is not Mayor Pete.  If Sanders wins NH he is going to be difficult to stop. I think he is polling pretty far ahead in Nevada. Then on Super Tuesday, he will take California assuming he gets NH and NV.  The moderates are going to have to decide who their candidate is going to be before Super Tuesday otherwise they will be fighting among themselves for Bernie's scraps. 

I am not thrilled with Bernie, primarily because he didn't let it go in 2016 and quite possibly cost Hillary the election when his pouty supporters stayed home. I agree with his positions on most things, but are they practical and realizable? Not with the Senate the way it is.

I think we have to acknowledge that we won't have social progress even if we win the White House, unless we're lucky enough to take the Senate, too. That's at least 4-1 against, though. So the person who replaces Trump will be more about damage control than really improving things.

Let's get rid of Trump, which will necessitate everyone getting behind the eventual nominee. Trump's strength is that the Republicans are solidly behind him, out of fear. Democrats can't afford to repeat the split-ticket mistake of 2016, when Angry Grandpa spent as much time attacking Hillary as Trump did.

You really are delusional. 

As of now, Bernie is my first choice. Bloomberg is my second. I am still never Pete.

I no longer think Joe and Warren are viable candidates.

Biden still leads in the RCP average in Nevada. 

Well, Joe was always the "safe" choice, like the one girl in high school you knew you could ask out on a date in a pinch. The only segment of the electorate that he's all that strong with is the black voters, but I think they'll fall in line behind whomever the nominee is. No sane black person should vote for Trump. Actually, no sane person, period, should vote for him.

I find it odd that you object to Pete because he has big money behind him but you're okay with Bloomberg. I agree with you that the nomination shouldn't be like some no-limit poker game, where the player with the big stack dominates the action. So I would expect that you consider Bloomberg a non-starter, too. In any case, he has no chance to win.