Today's presser

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Tom is asking "who pays" for cheaper insulin?    Answer : shareholders of Eli Lilly who now have to suffer the same free market dynamic they have with the rest of the free world.

 

im old enough to remember when Republicans marketed themselves as free market capitalists.    But Republicans like Tom are really upset that Democrats ignored the bribes of Big Pharma lobbiests and allowed for free market negotiation of drug prices to save tax payers money.     Really Tom is just pissed that Democrats followed through on this promise whereas the sewer rats he voted for succumbed to bribes.


What stupid Tom and all the Republican scum he worships fail to acknowledge is that the big drug companies still make money when insulin is $35. Maybe not so much to pay for a new Gulfstream jet every week--not any more--but still profitable.

 

That's the result of negotiation, a power which the Tom-scum wanted the government not to have. How many billions have been leached from poor peoples' pockets to pay for those executive jets?

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

What stupid Tom and all the Republican scum he worships fail to acknowledge is that the big drug companies still make money when insulin is $35. Maybe not so much to pay for a new Gulfstream jet every week--not any more--but still profitable.

 

That's the result of negotiation, a power which the Tom-scum wanted the government not to have. How many billions have been leached from poor peoples' pockets to pay for those executive jets?


But oddly enough, you were/are for the big profits they get out the vaccines........please explain?

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

But oddly enough, you were/are for the big profits they get out the vaccines........please explain?


Since the vaccines were free to the public...you're babbling.

 

I could also point out the difference between vaccine doses, which are single or double and generally don't need to be repeated after that, and insulin dosages, which are daily necessities for millions....you're babbling 

Big pharma made big $ off the vaccines.  Who the fuck cares if they were free to the public.  Who do you think paid for them?  

 

How The Covid-19 Vaccine Injected Billions Into Big Pharma—And Made Its Executives Very Rich (forbes.com)

 

Damn Forbes.......terrible source there.  So aren't you the guy that is against this type of thing where the big corps cash in?  Why not on this one?  Please explain to us.  

Edited on Aug 17, 2024 4:18pm

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

Big pharma made big $ off the vaccines.  Who the fuck cares if they were free to the public.  Who do you think paid for them?  

 

How The Covid-19 Vaccine Injected Billions Into Big Pharma—And Made Its Executives Very Rich (forbes.com)

 

Damn Forbes.......terrible source there.  So aren't you the guy that is against this type of thing?  Why not on this one?  Please explain to us.  


Your point of view on how necessary or beneficial the vaccines were depends on whether or not you're a crazy, rabid anti-vaxxer loony bird.

 

You've already thrown your hat into the toilet on that one 

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Your point of view on how necessary or beneficial the vaccines were depends on whether or not you're a crazy, rabid anti-vaxxer loony bird.

 

You've already thrown your hat into the toilet on that one 


Why won't you answer the question?  Why are you for vaccines that made these big Pharma companies and executives TONs of $ and we can at least meet in the middle with saying it is very debatable if they work or don't.  You would normally be against these big Pharma cashouts like this one was.  Read the article.  

Let's just summarize here.  

 

Kevin is all for the big Pharma companies and executives that rolled out the vaccines and made billions.  You read it here first.  Kevin "I can't stand big corporations making millions and billions" Lewis was good with this one. Because as he said, "they were free to the public,"  - 8/17/24

 

 

 

Edited on Aug 17, 2024 5:29pm
Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

Let's just summarize here.  

 

Kevin is all for the big Pharma companies and executives that rolled out the vaccines and made billions.  You read it here first.  Kevin "I can't stand big corporations making millions and billions" Lewis was good with this one. Because as he said, "they were free to the public,"  - 8/17/24

 

 

 


Those companies had legitimate expenses in the course of developing the vaccines and put other potential profit generators aside. I'm not so crazy as to say they shouldn't have made money (even if it was BILLYUNS). And the government paying for it meant that they weren't driven by profit considerations.

 

Don't put words in my mouth, Angry Jerry. You LUVVV to do that, but it's a chickenshit tactic.

Even the media realizes thar the kamala economic plan is a mess

 

"Whether the Harris proposal wins over voters remains to be seen, but if sound economic analysis still matters, it won’t," the liberal-leaning Washington Post editorial board wrote on Friday.

 

The Post’s editorial board took Harris to task on the idea, stating it’s not even clear what her plan is. "Ms. Harris says she’ll target companies that make ‘excessive’ profits, whatever that means."

 

Columnist Catherine Rampell wrote on Thursday, "It’s hard to exaggerate how bad this policy is. It is, in all but name, a sweeping set of government-enforced price controls across every industry, not only food

 

 Rampell added that it flies in the face of free market economics, adding that "Supply and demand would no longer determine prices or profit levels. Far-off Washington bureaucrats would. The FTC would be able to tell, say, a Kroger in Ohio the acceptable price it can charge for milk."

 

In a Thursday night segment, CNN anchor Abby Phillip scoffed at the proposal, appearing to agree with National Review senior writer Noah Rothman that the plan is just a tactic to snag "economically illiterate" voters.

 

CNN economics reporter Elisabeth Buchwald published a report Friday featuring experts detailing how "Harris’ plan to stop price gouging could create more problems than it solves."

 

Obama administration economist Jason Furman, who told the New York Times, "This is not sensible policy, and I think the biggest hope is that it ends up being a lot of rhetoric and no reality."

 

Mesa quoted Cato Institute Vice President of General Economics and Trade, Scott Lincicome, who said, "The idea of a political solution to an economic non-problem is flawed. There's very little evidence that corporate greed or price gouging is responsible for high grocery or housing prices."

 

 Kansas State University agricultural economist Glynn Tonsor told Newsweek that corporations aren’t’ necessarily gouging prices, they’re often just trying to deal with their own rising expenses. "The cost of raising the animal, converting it into meat, and getting that meat to consumers is higher than it was," he said.

Lincicome rounded out the argument, adding, "Preventing price increases sounds good, but what do investors and farmers do when they can't guarantee a return on investment or cover their costs? They cut back on investment, leading to reduced supply and even higher prices or outright shortages."

Also from the Post

 

Code red

 

Kamala Harris’ plan for American-style communism is a $1.7 trillion giveaway, when our budget deficit this year is $1.9 trillion, and our national debt is already $35 trillion. We rate some of the proposals on a scale of 1-5 hammer and sickles: 

 

PRICE CONTROLS Pitch: A “first-ever” federal ban on “price gouging.” What’s wrong with it: What’s gouging? What’s excessive? It does not say, and price controls invariable backfire as demand increases for limited goods. Cost: Black markets, hoarding, less competition . . . and higher inflation Rating: ☭☭☭☭☭

 

CHILD TAX CREDIT Pitch: Restore the COVID-era child tax credit of $3,600, but raise it even more to $6,000 for the first year of a child’s life. What’s wrong with it: It all comes at a massive cost, which is why it wasn’t renewed when the pandemic was over. The credit also disincentivized work, and helped fuel inflation as parents spent more on child care. Cost: $1.2 trillion Rating: ☭☭☭

 

HOUSING GIVEAWAY Thesis: Up to $25,000 in down-payment assistance for first-time homebuyers. Critique: Will likely spur even more inflation. With the government chipping in money to help buy a home, home prices will go up. Cost: $100 billion Rating ☭☭☭☭

 

 BUILDER TAX BREAKS Thesis: A $40 billion “innovation fund” to get cities to build more housing. Critique: Harris again does not trust the market to operate as it always has — demand for homes will spur more construction. Instead she wants to give companies tax breaks, which likely won’t result in affordable housing. Cost: $100 billion Rating: ☭☭

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