Trump Announces Bold New Socialist Program! Part 2

This is a continuation of the earlier discussion about how Trump wants to enact a new socialist program to redistribute taxpayer money to farmers so they can continue to produce a product that there is not sufficient demand for.  Charles posted what looks like some formatting from his word processor which broke the last thread. Just as a reminder it is best to use "Paste as Plain text" when you right click to paste something into the forum otherwise you might break the thread.  

OK .... that could be useful to someone someday

By the way, Wind and Solar are not "cheaper" energy sources than coal......and coal will be around for many years producing power in China, if nowhere else.....

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It's a small example of the formatting that is hiding inside a Word document.  It went on for several hundred lines. That was just the start.

Nearly 75 percent of coal-fired power plants in the United States generate electricity that is more expensive than local wind and solar energy resources...

Coal’s biggest threat is now economics, not regulations,” O’Boyle told CNN Business.

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I did not read your attached article, as I have yet to find a pro wind/solar article which doesn't twist the truth.  Mark, let me ask you a few questions.  Does the report include the cost of back up CONVENTIONAL power plant which must sit in wait for the sun to go down or for the wind to stop blowing.  I suspect it does not.  Does this report include the substantial cost to transport wind and solar power from their REMOTE locations?  I think not.  Does this report include the cost of energy consumed off the grid by wind and solar facilities.  Wind especially sucks up lots of power, but pro wind and power ignore these costs when writing reports.  If these sources are so economical, why must supporters lie about the true costs?

I can say the same thing for coal and nuclear.

Does the kwph reported for Coal take into account transportation of the fuel, disposal of toxic coal ash, medical care for asthma and lung disease, or reparations to strip mined land?

Does the kwph for nuclear energy take into account the storage costs for 500 years before the waste becomes stablized?     

No?  Oh.    

The cost for renwables has come down dramatically despite conservative predictions saying the oppositte.  And there are officially more US jobs in renewables than coal / nuclear....and the people in those jobs dont get black lung disease.     

I dont understand why its a partisan issue.   Does Al Gore really piss off the right so much they cant stand to address a future with cleaner energy and more jobs?

DonDiego loves hearing the "whistles" of the coal trains echo through the hills and valleys up heh' on Tomato Ranch Ridge in Appalachia.  It's a pleasant, . . . even comforting sound, . . . though maybe not to them what live next to the tracks.

PJ, you are largely incorrect.  All of those costs have been captured and are passed on to the customer.  That is not the case with regards to the costs for wind and solar.  Those folks argue that the costs of back up power plants should be accounted for and lumped in with coal, nuclear, and gas plant expenses.  Most traditional power plants are close to the user.................the gas powered plant next to Victory Field in downtown Indianapolis, for example.  Compare that with the wind turbines in I-65 on Indiana.  They are 150 miles from Indy and 100 miles from Chicago.

I won't consider this a non-partisan issue once all costs by wind and power are paid for by wind and power, and when the customer decides if he wishes to pay a premium.  I'll pass.

Good news!   You can do that very thing.

Indy Power & Light gives you the option to pay for the green power.  The outrageous cost you reference costs me about $1.22 per billing cycle.   

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And correction to your post......nuclear waste is not "Passed onto the customer".   We pay it in taxes to the tune of 6 billion dollars in taxes for nuclear waste storage

And I'm not sure how the medical costs of coal are "passed" onto the customer...unless you are referring to the cost of their health insurance.     

And you'll have to help me understand how "distance" figures into any cost equation.   As long as their are power lines connecting places you can easily route electricty anywhere at no cost beyond the upkeep of the power lines....thats why the Hoover Damn can easily send power to Phoenix and Los Angeles.