Trump invades Venezuela with ground troops

Bitch About Biden was your daily task back then. And you didn't say a word about that.

Biden never invaded another country without Congressional permission and kidnapped its leader.

Stupid Tom 

When it came to foreign policy the biden gang didn't do anything.  They let Afghanistan fall, Russia invade the Ukraine and iran develop nuclear weapons.

By placing a $25m bounty on maduro somebody would have done something, so the biden gang gave permission

We would still be spending trillions in Afghanistan if Tom had his way.    Now Tom supports us spending more trillions occupying Venezuela.    

good thing we had DOGE which pays for all of that.    

So you're saying that Biden should have sent a couple million American soldiers to stop the Russians? Or to invade Iran? Or keep troops in Afghanistan indefinitely?

What's the origin of your Biden Derangement Syndrome? Did he turn you down when you asked him for a date?

Stupid Tom.

The Biden gang left us with an afghan regime that supports terrorism, murdered 13 American soldiers, injured others, is oppressive, where women have no rights & are raped and murrderrd. 

The gentleman asked for an example of a Democrat president ordering an occupation and I gave it. I then gave a couple other examples of unconstitutional actions made by some Democrats after clearly stating that they didn't perfectly fit his request.

Just because I bring it up as an example of unconstitutional military action does not mean I am comparing it with other unconstitutional action or justifying other unconstitutional actions. 

You seem to keep insisting that every time I mention something bad about the Democrats that I am somehow praising or defending Old King Orange. I am not. 

I don't understand why I run into this so much from both sides of the aisle. Every time I say something negative about a Republican I have people assuming that I'm defending the Democrats and every time I say something negative about Democrats I have people claiming I am defending Republicans. I am not. 

And it is their country, not ours, and it's up to their citizens, not us, to make any changes. We don't have the right to make war on another country simply because we don't like their system of government.

Tom, you're a nasty old fuck, so you probably grew up during a time when Republicans thought that we DID have the right to enact "regime change," by military force if necessary...especially if our targets were COMMIES. OOOH! It was illegal then and remains so today.

And yeah yeah, this is where you weasel by saying than Clinton Biden Obama belch grunt snort did that as well. How does that excuse Republicans...or Trump? Wrong is wrong. Unlawful is unlawful. Unconstitutional is unconstitutional. And despite what you constantly bleat, Democrats have objected to unlawful foreign wars for decades. Most Republicans have as well.

I can't help but ask you, though, that if you don't like women being raped, why did you vote for a man who has raped at least thirteen women and bragged about it?

Answer that question, coward.

I understand, but by comparing Obama ordering a drone strike with Trump's undeclared war and invasion, you're doing what MAGA luvvvvs to do--making a false equivalence argument. You see that here all the time from stupid Tom and Millerscum, and Boilerboob occasionally as well. You're too smart to make even an implied comparison. And I apologize for implying that you're making the same apologia as Millerscum or stupid Tom always do. I know you're not, and you were simply responding to their strident WHAT ABOUT THEM DEMMURKATS, HUH??? 

You see, you have to realize that MAGA absolutely and reflexively emulates Trump in every way, like mind-controlled parrots. And Trump's go-to "defense" whenever accused of something is to attack his accusers. Did you know that at his recent rape trial, he accused the counsel for the plaintiff of being a rapist himself? He was no doubt going to accuse the judge, but his lawyer clamped a hand over Trump's mouth.

My point has been that whatever military incursions the US may have made in the past, this new Trump-shit is an order of magnitude worse. Have past Presidents, BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT, violated the Constitution by engaging in warfare without the approval of Congress? All the time. Was it ever legal? No. Was it ever justified? Rarely. So I understand that both Trump and his lackeys believe that he has carte blanche and all he has to do to "justify" murdering the citizens of another sovereign nation is bleat something about drugs or terrorism.

So I think that the proper answer to Millerscum et al was that while many presidents of both parties have broken the law and performed unjustified military actions without Congressional approval, it's irrelevant to try to excuse Trump's current actions. Both because illegal is illegal and "THEM TOO! THEM TOO!" is no defense to anything, and because what Trump has done crossed whatever line there still was after the public tacitly approved tossing bombs at the bad guys, though that was illegal as well.

I don't think that you meant to excuse either side. Our MAGAs definitely want to excuse their orange master. 

Is the current afghan government what the people want or is the government what the people with the guns want?

Under Kevin's warped thinking nazi germany was ok because that is what the people wanted. 

That Obama, and Bush before him, and several presidents before him,  ordered the summary execution of American citizens is not just a meme. 

Something novel about Obama was one citizen that was killed had never been accused of a crime. His only crime was having lunch with someone on a hit list. 

For the record: this is not meant to justify or defend any unconstitutional actions of the current or any previous administrations. 

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/obama-administration-claims-unchecked-authority-kill-americans-outside-combat-zones

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/02/08/171467519/death-by-drone-and-the-sliding-scale-of-presidential-power

https://www.cato.org/commentary/can-obama-order-executions-citizens-abroad