Trump promises welfare checks for farmers

What are they afraid of regarding green Energy.  Nobody benefits from green energy more than farmers.    They get paid royalties on the windmills on their farms.....they get subsidized for the corn they turn into ethanol....Iowa has the highest percentage of green energy of any state for that reason.

bidens infrastructure bill built broadband into rural America...and their hospitals are propped up by Medicaid.   

ask your farmer friends how tariffs, trade wars, and marked up fertilizer are helping them out.    

Only the big boys have wind farms, less than 1 percent.  Also less than 1 percent have oil wells.  I think our state went from 3 ethenol plants to 1, but some farmers including my family got the bye product for cheap livestock feed.  I thought they were useing less water intensive crops for the ethenol these days, but I could be wrong..  Green energy is less efficient and more expensive.  Nobody in our area wants an electric truck, let alone tractor or semi hauling crops  They also  have to add additive to the fuel now because the ethenol draws moisture.  So if fuel sits for too long over the winter, like in your boat, tractor, combine, etc it causes problems.

I do know that the war started by Russua has really driven up the price of fertilizer.  And I do not know of anyone in our area that did not have broadband.  That whole thing is probably a scam.  I do know that it is hard to get cell phone service, and radio stations  in eastern Colorado and in the mountains and that really hasn't changed.  I also don;t know of any farmer that was happy with Obama care, or has complained any more or less about medicaid.  But those are my experiences, yours may be different in your area

None of them should be "afraid" of green energy policies, and despite what Brent thinks, I doubt that any of them actually are. Clean energy generation is a great way for farmers to get additional income out of their land. Ethanol subsidies make corn a viable crop. And solar arrays can generate the electricity that farmers would otherwise have to pay for out of the grid --and it's all subsidized.

So I would ask, what the fuck are these farmers supposedly afraid of? I suspect that Brent is making things up. He says that he doesn't know of a "dem" policy that helps farmers. What about...oh, let's pick one...Obamacare? The Child Tax Credit? Subsidized farm loans? Free trade with nations that buy their products (sure as hell ain't a Republican policy no more!)? Student loans in case young Elmer wants to get the hell out of Skeleton Flats some day?

One thing is for certain. The current Trump policies are screwing them over BIG time. So a "dem" policy that helps those farmers could be stated as simply, "get rid of Trump."

If these solar farms are so great why are they not being put on all these commerical buildings.  Look at the size of some of these warehouses and how close they are to the grid.  How much easier would it be to put thousands of panels up there and have all that energy where it is most needed, not out in bum fuck Egypt, where you have all the logistics problems. They are trying to put in battery storage facilities in our area right now and it is a big issue and nobody wants them .  But it will happen because there is alot of outside money behind it.  There has been alot of subsidies for solar and wind.  It would be interesting to know how many currently have pannels on their house and how they like them.  My sister and my parents used to have them but not anymore.

Here's what you're not thinking of: solar in a built-up commercial area is a gamble, because nothing can stop someone else from building a taller, adjacent building that would block your access to the sun at least some of the time. That's why it's ideal where there are large tracts of open land. You do need line of sight to the sun, at all angles.

You speak of "outside money" as if the only reason solar exists at all is because of some LIBURRUL KUNSPEERISSY, which is a common belief. If that was true, China, not exactly a hotbed of liberalism, wouldn't have so much solar. The truth is simple, and obvious. About five years ago, the cost of a kwh generated by solar dropped below that of any other method, even ignoring subsidies, and fully amortizing the costs of installation. Maintenance costs are also the lowest per kwh. So it's pretty much "money talks." Which is why MAGA has dropped solar as an issue to bleat about.

I can give you one example of residential solar. Eastlake is a suburb of San Diego. Agua Vista is a development on the very eastern edge; it's only four miles as the crow flies from Mexico. The development, which was originally 440 houses, was built with every house having a complete solar array, with all the needed electronics and batteries, etc. The average electrical bill for Agua Vista is MINUS $220. That means they get a check from SoCalEd every month for the juice they feed back into the grid.

Also, insofar as power generation close to where it will be consumed is concerned: it isn't necessary. Transformer stations step up the voltage at intervals along transmission lines. It works fine. And many of the largest generation sources in North America, like Grand Coulee and Hoover Dam in the US, and the James Bay project in Canada, are many hundreds of miles from any major city that uses the power they generate. There really aren't any "logistics problems." 

The point I'm making is that solar is worthwhile purely from a financial standpoint, even completely ignoring all that liberal nonsense like clean air and no need to strip mine the world for fossil fuels.

From what I gather Brent says farmers voted for Trump because they were afraid of the green energy boogie man.

Well good for them. They voted to be put out of business by Trump's tarrifs. So let them go out of business. If you irrationally fear a make believe boogie man more than you fear going out of business, you deserve to go out of business.

As to Brent's point about Government harming farmers more than helping,  there is an easy solution. Quit taking government money and practice what you preach. You know that hard work and pulling yourself up by your boot straps. Instead you are holding your hand out saying I am entitled to a profitable business despite the fact I constantly make bad decisions based upon the conspiracy theories I believe in.

Get a fucking job during that five to six months of downtime to pay your bills instead of forcing those blue state people you despise to strap you on their back and carry you through life.

This says it all.

Soybean farmers caught in looming crisis as US trade war with China cripples sales

"In the seven years leading up to the 2018 trade war during the first Trump administration, roughly 60% of all U.S. soybean exports went to China."

""China has not bought a single export cargo of beans so far this year, which is not very typical," Thomsen told ABC News on his family's farm in Kennard, in eastern Nebraska.

"When China quits buying, our prices go down," he said."

"In conversations across eastern Nebraska and in Washington, D.C., where some farmers lobbied lawmakers and the Trump administration for financial assistance ahead of the harvest, more than a dozen farmers told ABC News they felt like bargaining chips between the U.S. and China."

Elections have consequences, so while the farmers worry about green energy, the guy they voted for twice destroyed their export markets. Now they have their hands out for the government money they voted for. 

Was somebody telling us the farmers are upset about "green energy subsidies", while the farmers ask for subsidies from the government because they got what they voted for?

They do.

I don't think anyone likes ethanol; you have George W. Bush to thank for promoting ethanol. Did you vote for Bush or Kerry in 2004?

Bush signed the Energy Policy Act of 2005, mandating oil companies blend higher levels of ethanol into fuel.

Bush also signed the Energy Independence and Security Act ot 2007, promoting ethanol, and introduced his "Twenty in Ten" initiative during his 2007 State of the Union address to reduce gasoline consumption by increasing alternative fuels like ethanol.

Obama continued the push for ethanol, and now we can't seem to get rid of it. Do the farmers lobby against eliminating ethanol?

Thank you for that link, Max.  Yes, it says it all, including the last paragraph.

Candy