Originally posted by: CharlesII
First let's just agree that Putin is a brutal dictator, the aggressor and a war criminal. That said, Democrat warmongers and neocons just seem to want another forever war so hundreds of billions of dollars go to their cronies in the Military Industrial Complex. To them, the only good Ruskie is a dead Ruskie. It's like the 80's called. They want their foreign policy back.
Remind me what Joe Biden and the Democrat's plan was to stop the killing in Ukraine. I think it was something like 'as long as it takes' which means as much of our money as it takes and as many dead Russians and Ukrainians as it takes. And when you're talking about our money, why was much of the European money for Ukraine in the form or loans or recouped from Russian Assets while ours was simply no strings hand outs...Aparantly they can't even account for half of the money we've given them.
Never once has a Democrat here stated what the end result of this war needs to be in their opinion. Do they honestly think Crimea will be returned to Ukraine? That Ukraine will join Nato? That Russia will be defeated on the battlefield? That we need to supply Ukraine with Nukes or put boots on the ground or it's a good idea to continue to escalate this proxy war?
And so where does that leave us? There was a time when Democrats would have tried to find a way toward peace and to stop the killing...'whatever it takes'.. Should Trump negotiate with a brutal dictator, aggressor and war criminal? Is that simply appeasement ala Neville Chamberlain? Could some of Trump's rhetoric just be negotiation tactics? Well maybe we should be talking to the head of the country with more nuclear weapons pointed at us than any other. Maybe we should at least try to find a way to de-escalate the situation and stop the killing. Maybe there is a way to a lasting peace with security guarantees for Ukraine. The devil is in the details and there are no details yet. How about Dems stop their pearl clutching and hand wringing until we see an actual proposal? All we know is that if Dick Cheney, his new Democat idiolizers and the Neo Cons have their way, the killing with never end....it's profitable. Maybe give peace a chance instead.
Yes, Charles, WE can agree that Putin is a brutal dictator, the aggressor and a war criminal.
The problem is - Trump doesnt. Thats not my opinion. Thats his openly stated position which he was asked to clarify and he has since doubled down on. It wasnt a gaff.
Zelensky is the dictator and the aggressor. Thats his starting point. And he has lots of tough words for Ukraine. None for Russia. Are you ok with that?
Trump has already given Putin what he wants with nothing in return. No NATO for Ukraine. No land givebacks. And to make it worse Trump is adopting all of the Russian Propoganda talking points about who is at fault and who is the bad guy. And you seem to be ok with that.
And please stop pretending Democrats are war mongering neo-cons. This is another thread where you pretend like you voted for Al Gore, John Kerry, and Barack Obama? please. Who do you think you are kidding.
