Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
I suspect that Trump ORDERED the attack on the National Guard as a distraction from the growing backlash against Trumpiffs, his extrajudicial murders, his lifelong love affair with Epstein...
HaHaHaHaHa!
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
I suspect that Trump ORDERED the attack on the National Guard as a distraction from the growing backlash against Trumpiffs, his extrajudicial murders, his lifelong love affair with Epstein...
HaHaHaHaHa!
Any executive order, proclamation etc can be undone by the current president, except for pardons and commutations, but if those were signed with an autopen without Biden directing it, they are also moot.
The Presidency is not a committee.
Originally posted by: Inigo Montoya
Any executive order, proclamation etc can be undone by the current president, except for pardons and commutations, but if those were signed with an autopen without Biden directing it, they are also moot.
100% correct.
Originally posted by: David Miller
100% correct.

Originally posted by: Inigo Montoya
Any executive order, proclamation etc can be undone by the current president, except for pardons and commutations, but if those were signed with an autopen without Biden directing it, they are also moot.
The Presidency is not a committee.
Show me the case law that says pardons can be undone if they were signed by an autopen. You can't because a pardon cannot be undone.
Originally posted by: Mark
Show me the case law that says pardons can be undone if they were signed by an autopen. You can't because a pardon cannot be undone.
Wrong, as usual.
Originally posted by: David Miller
Wrong, as usual.
Post the case law.
Originally posted by: Inigo Montoya
Any executive order, proclamation etc can be undone by the current president, except for pardons and commutations, but if those were signed with an autopen without Biden directing it, they are also moot.
The Presidency is not a committee.
Iggo, you demean yourself when you follow David around, sniffing his ass. What you said, and he said, is utterly wrong.
First of all, an executive order CANNOT be "undone" or "voided"; a new executive order can COUNTERMAND an existing EO. Big, big, big difference. The older executive order is law until it is countermanded by another. The distinction--a huge one--is that an executive order that was valid when signed cannot be made retroactively illegal, which is what the Turd is trying to do.
Second, as ruled in hundreds of civil cases and court challenges to signed documents, an autopen signature is PERFECTLY LEGAL. Important documents signed with an autopen are always signed in front of witnesses--as Biden did every time--in case their authenticity is questioned. Google the topic if you wish. It took me thirty seconds.
Third, no document was signed by an autopen without Biden "directing" it, as you put it. And EVERY President since the autopen was invented--INCLUDING TRUMP--has used an autopen to sign multiple documents. TRUMP USED ONE FOR ALL HIS INSURRECTIONIST PARDONS.
And no, I'm not gonna "post a link." Do your own research.
What the boys don't get is you can sign your name with the letter X on legal documents and it is still a perfectly valid signature. What matters when it comes to a signature is intent.
David is old enough to know that in the old days, before esign and PDFs, signature stamps/auto pens were very common and just as valid as signing your name the old fashioned way.
Hell, I had signature stamps for all my business checking accounts but rarely used them. Big businesses still uses electronic signatures because nobody is going to sign thousands or even tens of thousands of checks/documents every day.
The Constitution doesn't require a pardon to be in writing so trying to claim a signature is invalid on a pardon is laughable because a signature was never required to begin with.
The issue is that biden wasn't aware that these orders were being signed and if that was the case they would be invalid.