US imposes major tariff hikes on Chinese imports, EVs hit with 100% duty

Originally posted by: David Miller

 It is apparent that the collective morons here don't comprhend the effect of tariffs and why they are implemeeeented. Once again - What Are Tariffs? Tariffs are a type of trade barrier imposed by countries in order to raise the relative price of imported products compared to domestic ones. Tariffs typically come in the form of taxes or duties levied on importers and eventually passed on to end consumers. They're commonly used in international trade as a protectionist measure, with the aim of advantaging domestic producers and raising


And they are strongly inflationary, and they don't work. They are, to use your term, moronic.

 

But speaking of moronic--do you realize that you bolded "the effect of tariffs" and then didn't say anything about tariffs' effects?

 

Idiot!

Originally posted by: David Miller

  Apparently when you make a mistake, all you can do is attack and spew filth. 


Mistake? A typo? You've made seven of them in this thread alone, but so you wouldn't feel butt-hurt, I didn't point them out.

 

As I said, it's a mistake to talk to you. You're a lying, worthless little Trump-sucking asshole. Bye!

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

And they are strongly inflationary, and they don't work. They are, to use your term, moronic.

 

But speaking of moronic--do you realize that you bolded "the effect of tariffs" and then didn't say anything about tariffs' effects?

 

Idiot!


  It has been proven that they work - you lie again. The effect is noted in the final sentance - get someone to explain what was said to you, moron.

Originally posted by: David Miller

 It is apparent that the collective morons here don't comprhend the effect of tariffs and why they are implemeeeented. Once again - What Are Tariffs? Tariffs are a type of trade barrier imposed by countries in order to raise the relative price of imported products compared to domestic ones. Tariffs typically come in the form of taxes or duties levied on importers and eventually passed on to end consumers. They're commonly used in international trade as a protectionist measure, with the aim of advantaging domestic producers and raising


You don't understand how they work.  Using my 15k car example with a 100% tariff the car is 30k.  The consumer pays the 30k price with the tariff included when they purchase the car.  The 15k goes directly to the government. As a consumer, you are paying the tariff every time you buy something with a tariff because it is added to the price of the product.  In my example, BYD still gets the same 15k they did before.  


Originally posted by: Mark

You don't understand how they work.  Using my 15k car example with a 100% tariff the car is 30k.  The consumer pays the 30k price with the tariff included when they purchase the car.  The 15k goes directly to the government. As a consumer, you are paying the tariff every time you buy something with a tariff because it is added to the price of the product.  In my example, BYD still gets the same 15k they did before.  


  And you don't seem to understand that a consumer would not purchase a product with a tariff inflated price when their are options to buy a similar item at a lesser price. 

Originally posted by: David Miller

  And you don't seem to understand that a consumer would not purchase a product with a tariff inflated price when their are options to buy a similar item at a lesser price. 


"Their are" FEWER options for consumers when tariffs are imposed, because a good that might have been affordable before will no longer be affordable for some.

 

Before tariffs: Buy the imported car/TV/kiwi fruit or the domestic car/TV/kiwi fruit? I'll buy the one that gives me the best combination of price and quality.

 

After tariffs: I can't buy the imported car/TV/kiwi fruit because the tariffs make their prices too high, so I'm forced to buy the domestic versions whether I want to or not.

 

Forcing people to do things is inherently a bad idea. I know you like fascism, David, but I thought you were a free trade Republican.

David, I do get that but what you are missing is there are tons of products like cheap EVs that aren't made anywhere in the United States so there are no quality products at a similar price point. So if you need the product in question you pay the tax.  Say you need a new iPhone because you broke your 3-year-old iPhone. With the tariff tax, it would be $1600 instead of $1000. Smartphones aren't manufactured in the US. A lot of mundane things like disposable razors, cosmetics and almost all the over-the-counter medications you buy are manufactured overseas in a country with low-cost labor and there are no comparably priced US-sourced products. 

 

Trump's proposal is nothing more than a radical redesign of our taxing system in the US.  They want to cut taxes for the wealthy and corporations but they realize that the government would be so starved of money it won't be able to provide the most basic services or continue to fund the military.  Their solution is to have the poors and the middle class pay all the taxes in the form of tariffs so the rich can get richer. 

Edited on Sep 14, 2024 4:08pm
Originally posted by: David Miller

  It has been proven that they work - you lie again. The effect is noted in the final sentance - get someone to explain what was said to you, moron.


Spend some time researching how well the Smoot-Hawley tariffs worked. They extended the Great Depression by several years.

 

Your statement that "it has been proven that they work" is a lie. How? By whom?

Originally posted by: Mark

I do get that but what you are missing is there are ton of products like cheap EVs that aren't made anywhere in the United States so there are no cheaper quality products at a similar price point. So if you need the product in question you have to pay the tax.  Say you need a new iPhone because you broke your 3-year-old iphone. With the tariff tax it would $1600 instead of $1000. Smart phones aren't manufactured in the US. A lot of mundane things like disposable razors and almost all the over the counter medications you buy are manufactured overseas in a country with low-cost labor and there are no comparably priced US-sourced products. 

 

Trump's proposal is nothing more than a radical redesign of our taxing system in the US.  They want to cut taxes for the wealthy and corporations but they realize that the government would be so starved of money it won't be able to provide the most basic services or continue to fund the military.  Their solution is to have the poors and the middle class pay all the taxes in the form of tariffs so the rich can get richer. 


That's why he's in favor of them. To him, it's a quick-and-easy way to keep his tax breaks for the rich intact and in his fantasy world, even increase them. Of course, he only advocates for these tariffs because he would personally benefit. He makes NO decisions for any other reason than self-interest.

 

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

That's why he's in favor of them. To him, it's a quick-and-easy way to keep his tax breaks for the rich intact and in his fantasy world, even increase them. Of course, he only advocates for these tariffs because he would personally benefit. He makes NO decisions for any other reason than self-interest.

 


It is a backdoor national sales tax. 

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