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Originally posted by: tom

So where is the money coming from?

 

All they talk about is taxing millionaires (above the level the candidates are making) & billionaires. 

 

The Democrats talk about eliminating the tax cut, but it is obvious that is not  going to cut it. 


That's not all they talk about. That's all you hear.

 

The knowledge you have of a given situation is a tiny, tiny, tiny subset of the total knowledge available. You fasten on one trivial aspect of an issue--whatever appeals to you or seems to you to support your views--and ignore everything else.

Originally posted by: tom

According to IRS data all the millionaires on the US have a combined income of $3.2 trillion. 

At a 100% tax rate there still won't be enough money to pay for all the freebies the Democrats are planning for. 


Uhhhh..Tom...let me put this as gently as possible...in words you might be able to understand...in the US tax system, millionaires are not the only people taxed. Furthermore, businesses and corporations pay taxes, too. Other sources of revenue include excise taxes and yes, Trump's stupid tariffs.

 

So yes, Tommie-poo, taxing millionaires won't fund the government all by itself. However, no one except you has ever proposed that.

 

And if something is funded by taxes, it's not a "freebie."

I forgot, the other topic is impeachment. 


All the democrats propose are tax increases for millionaires. 

A freebie is when you receive something that you didn't pay for. 

Edited on Mar 9, 2020 11:16am
Originally posted by: tom

I forgot, the other topic is impeachment. 


All the democrats propose are tax increases for millionaires. 

A freebie is when you receive something that you didn't pay for. 


Kevin struggles to grab this concept.


Originally posted by: Boilerman

Kevin struggles to grab this concept.


Everybody pays taxes. Therefore, there are no "freebies" as our resident Trumptards like to refer to them.

 

Boilerman and Tom are incapable of understanding that.

Originally posted by: tom

I forgot, the other topic is impeachment. 


All the democrats propose are tax increases for millionaires. 

A freebie is when you receive something that you didn't pay for. 


You mean like when Republicans continue Obamacare while removing the things that pay for it?  Thanks for the reminder.    

 

Add "da wall" to that category too.

 

What else to the Trump deficit cheerleaders want to warn  us about Democrats today?  I know!  How about presidentioal vacation days?

I have a question about how Bernies plan would be implemented. I know how it would be paid for. What I don't understand is how it would work. Right now doctors see both regular paitents and medicare paitents. I'm sure no doctor gets rich (which I don't begrudge them if they do) by seeing only medicare paitents. They make the big bucks by overbilling me and my insurance company. If there is medicare for all will every doctor only make what salary is preset for them. Will every procedure have a set price no matter the expierience or aptitude of the doctor? Also, right now most tests are done by private labs which are in buisiness to make money. If the day after Medicare for all is inacted do the labs all close? Does the government buy them or do they just forcably take them over and demand the employees take a pay cut. What happens if most of the employees decide to quit? Do we replace them with underqualified people who will work for what the government decides? I sure hope we don't have a viral emergency during that transition period.

Doctors would a) be paid by the facility that employs them, the same way they are now, or b) if self-employed, would bill the government for the services they provide patients. The only real difference between that system and the present one is that rather than billing insurance companies or individuals who don't have insurance, medical providers would bill the government--as in, "single payer."

 

Compensation for individual services would likely be fairly standardized, but there would probably be higher prices paid to specialists or those who provide difficult or esoteric procedures. I think it would be presumed that any given doctor who has a diploma hanging on the wall would be qualified to perform a procedure. We make that assumption now.

 

Labs would bill the government, the same way they currently bill insurance companies or individuals who don't have insurance. The labs would have no reason to close--especially since their business would increase! And since those labs would continue to pay their employees, I can't see any reason for a walkout. 

 

I would expect an expansion in the number of doctors long-term as there would be more demand. And yeah, they would probably make less money overall, because the government would be a tough negotiator in order to keep costs down.

 

I know conservatives hate to make the comparison, but things would work they way they do in, say, Great Britain with the NHS. Their system works fine and doctors there earn as much as other skilled professionals.

 

If you want another type of comparison, the medical industry would in effect be a giant government contractor. Compare that with sectors like the defense industry, which sells all of its products to the government.

 

I also doubt that private medical practice would completely disappear--there would doubtless be ways to jump the queue if you were willing to pony up.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Everybody pays taxes. Therefore, there are no "freebies" as our resident Trumptards like to refer to them.

 

Boilerman and Tom are incapable of understanding that.


If one is given ten things, each valued at $2000, and they only pay $1000 annually in taxes, then they got $19,500 of free shit.  Kevin wants to argue that since he pays 5 cents on the dollar for all of this govenment free shit, that it somehow isn't free.

 

Nice try.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

If one is given ten things, each valued at $2000, and they only pay $1000 annually in taxes, then they got $19,500 of free shit.  Kevin wants to argue that since he pays 5 cents on the dollar for all of this govenment free shit, that it somehow isn't free.

 

Nice try.


Government benefits aren't doled out according to the exact dollar amount one has contributed. That would be ridiculous, and impossible.

 

This is a failure on your part in terms of fundamental understanding. We all pay taxes, according to how much we earn (and spend). We all benefit from government programs. Some of those benefit everyone, such as highways, schools, etc. Some benefit due to their need, like SNAP and Medicare. But those things aren't given--they're EARNED--by having paid taxes in the past and the present. And by being an American citizen. Even poor people are Americans, Boiler! Do you realize that?

 

What you don't get is that YOU benefit when someone else gets "free shit." You get your panties all twisted at the thought that someone else is getting something you're not, but when one person gets something to help them survive, EVERYONE benefits. Even you. If only you had the insight to grasp that simple concept!

 

And you have shown repeatedly that you don't know fuck-all about my financial situation, so quit making stupid speculations about it. Don't be such a goddamn asshole for once. 

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