Violent Crime in America - It is only Going to Get Worse

   Be smart - vote out every DemocRat -- https://fb.watch/gjte0ZBy8_/

The crime rate will go higher if Republicans gain more power? I'm not certain, but it sounds likely, based on the data. For example:

In 2020 (2021 is not available yet), per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden.  8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2020 voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election this century.

And...the murder rate in Kevin McCarthy's Bakersfield CA district was double that of Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco district.

To the right-wingers here, I say that I got data, bitches. What do you got?

   What YOU really have is CFI - Cranial Fecal Impaction.

You school David with the facts, he devolves to insults. I'm surprised he didn't call you a liar--he normally can't resist.

Of course, those who voted for Trump are stupider and more violent than normal people. And as for the RepubliQ shtick about "MASSIVE CRIME WAVES," all I can say to that is, if you're so against crime, why do you clowns vote for and support one of the most notorious criminals in American history?

A full-rounded debate on this crime topic should include the effects of cashless bail and the tendency for some DA's in some jurisdictions ( be they red , blue, or periwinkle in affiliation) to release alleged criminals with no accountability for alleged crimes. The DA's in LA , New York City, Philadelphia, and Chicago certainly demonstrate such a tendency. The typical arguments supporting these DA actions don't include much old-fashioned common sense. There's a scarcity of that in a lot of other areas right now as well, but..one screamingly insultive debate at a time,right?

That's my take..and I'm stickin to it.

Almost time to vote, ladies (term applied loosely). *l* Tell MrP that I haven't forgotten our wager,OK?

Cheers...

Charles, Charles, Charles...first of all, there is no such thing in American jurisprudence as accountability for alleged crimes. Y'know, presumption of innocence until proved otherwise in a court of law, and all that? To incarcerate someone for an ALLEGED crime is to mete out punishment before any wrongdoing is proved.

I suppose many people don't think it's such a big deal, someone has to spend a month or more in jail awaiting trial, and meh, they're all guilty, anyway, so what's the harm? Except...what if the person in question isn't guilty, or, if you like, isn't convicted? How is he compensated?

Let's also consider that those who are allowed to post bail do much better at trial, because they can more easily consult with counsel, are in better physical and emotional shape in court, and appear wearing a suit instead of prison duds (and that really does make a difference). So what determines whether someone is able to post bail? The decision of the judge, of course--but also, personal means. What if someone is too poor to post cash bond? They'll have a worse outcome at trial than someone who can post--so being poor lands you in prison. Poor/indigent defendants have a much higher conviction rate than others. Does that seem fair to you?

Of course, this is yet another ideological kerfuffle. Them steenkin' LIBURRULS feel that the injustice of poor people being convicted more often is intolerable and that the cash bail system skews justice. Good God-fearin' true-blue AMURRICAN conservatives, with, after all, their minds dominated by the fear response, say that if the po-lice done arrested you, son, why then, you's guilty, and the trial is just a formality anyway, especially if you's black or a beaner or a gook or a chink or any other subhuman.

And just to pivot to one salient argument from the "party of fiscal responsibility"--it costs money to turn an accused person into an inmate. If the flight risk, as determined by the judge, is minimal, then why spend thousands of dollars keeping the defendant locked up until the trial? And yes, some people DO skip bail. That's an additional crime. But we can't chain everyone up in the dungeon. For one thing, there's not nearly enough room.

So despite your assertion, there are several excellent reasons to modify the cash bail system. Hopefully, I've made you think a little (I have no such aspirations re the conservitards on this board).

@Kevin...Hang on..I'm honing my hillbilly vernacular ( my family members would be proud). *l*. No, there should be accountability,  for those arrested for a given crime if the evidence supports it. That was just a semantics usage. The intent ( which you likely understood initially anyway) was to voice my disagreement with these DA's that allow release of suspects ( and occasionally assign ridiculously inadequate charges) for inadequate reason/s. For a moment, place yourself in the shoes of primary and subsequent secondary/ tertiary victims of crimes ( some violent) commited by some portion of these suspects. What would you want done if you were in that victim column?

I won't disagree with you regarding the abhorrent costs of incarceration..that aspect reaches into many other areas and requires reform. Regarding the incarceration / holding of the poor / destitute and their subsequent inability to retain adequate counsel, I hear that. Unfortunately, many aspects of our entire US ecosystem including the legal system runs on the mantra "money talks, the rest walks". I don't agree with it but simultaneously, outside my vote, I have no control over it. In the end, again, there has to be consequences for breaking the law.

However, in the end, we have no country without some of the corny/imperfect aspects of law and order. Would you at least agree with that? I think that system is in horrid shape currently, particularly in some areas. Many of your fellow Democrats ( and their affiliated news sources) nationwide are now beginning to voice their opinions and demand some different approaches than what they've observed in their surrounding communities during the previous two to three years regarding this specific DA aspect. I would sincerely hope that most on your side that are demanding change are not doing so simply because of midterm politics and voter polls ( I'm certain some  reps of both sides are addressing it only and primarily for that reason, however). I won't bore you with poll numbers because, like many polls, they're likely to be inaccurate depending on who published them. Despite all that, it's a significant problem from where I sit. So I'll vote accordingly, and see if any meaningful changes in fact occur, though I don't know to what degree or how expediently those changes might actually take place even from so-called Republican/ conservative influences. In many states , it will be up to the state Governors to directly deal with this aspect. We'll see.

I remember the violent crime on Jan 6.

       The murder of Ashley Babbitt was a violent crime, that is what I remember.

Brought on by your orange hero's lies. Too bad she listenend to him.