Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
I called for not paying taxes until the Turd is gone. This discussion is about whether tips and OT should be taxed at all. Try to keep up.
Yeah...tax cheats who don't file their income taxes and brag about spending their tax debt on a Canadian vacation don't really have any credibility when it comes to discussions about the hard working men and women who acutally pay their taxes on tips.
Originally posted by: CharlesII
But back to my points on Tips....How is #2 ta false premise? You say 'it is part of their 'normal employment', but it's not really part of the employer->employee relationship at all. It's between the patron and the server. It's optional and should be considered a gift transaction between the server and those that were served. Tips weere never taxed for the first 200 years (or at least the first 60+ years of the income tax). The false premise is that Tips are actually normal employment income. The minimum wage should not be based on any tip calculation.
That's what I don't like about the current system. It makes no sense. You don't pay taxes on gifts. If I stand out in front of Denny's and hand each server a hundred dollar bill as they walk in at the start of their shift it is not taxable.
But if I go inside, sit down, have a $10 meal and leave two ones on the table as I leave, the two ones are magically taxable income.
In both cases they are gifts and shouldn't be taxable. Nobody leaves a tip with the intent of paying a server's wages. It is a gratuity for good service.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
The Republicans whine whine whine about the deficit that WUZ CAUSED BY GUMMINT SPENDIN. Now, they're voting for something that will drastically increase it.
Of course, they could make up for it by canceling the Trump tax windfall for billionaires.
Kevin doesn't understand the difference in spending and tax cuts.
Originally posted by: CharlesII
Yeah...tax cheats who don't file their income taxes and brag about spending their tax debt on a Canadian vacation don't really have any credibility when it comes to discussions about the hard working men and women who acutally pay their taxes on tips.
Tips are income, just like wages, or investment income or any other type of income. Putting that "hard working" label on it doesn't change that simple truth. You also ignore the fact that many workers make substantial earnings from tips--a Strip cocktail waitress or valet parker can easily make six figures. You want them to skate on tips?
Originally posted by: Boilerman
Kevin doesn't understand the difference in spending and tax cuts.
You don't understand that each can have the same effect on the budget.
Originally posted by: CharlesII
Yeah...tax cheats who don't file their income taxes and brag about spending their tax debt on a Canadian vacation don't really have any credibility when it comes to discussions about the hard working men and women who acutally pay their taxes on tips.
Zing!!!.......at Kev boy.
Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33
Zing!!!.......at Kev boy.
I blew up what Angry Charles said. Check and mate. Though I take no satisfaction in defeating a toddler.
Originally posted by: CharlesII
Almost no taxes were ever collected on tips before 1982 when Reagan put the burden on big restaurants and other service businesses to report them and use estimates for cash tips...even if wrong. eliminate taxes on tips too.
Correct, so the 1982 statement is incorrect, or more directly, it's wrong. You're very verbose, but not accurate. Tips were determined to be taxable income in 1919. That's a fact, looking forward to your twelve paragraph response denying this, since you are not adult enough to admit a factual mistake. Enjoy!
"Originally posted by: CharlesII
No tax on tips makes a lot of sense. The real question is why it makes sense to tax tips.
1 You know we haven't always taxed tips, right? It started in 1982."
Originally posted by: CharlesII
Taxing tips actually makes the tax code far more complex not simpler olitical as your choice Kamala was intending to eliminate taxes on tips too.
Agreed, I am amending my response to simply state, I'm not in favor of a special carve out for a protected class.
Originally posted by: CharlesII
And it should be apolitical as your choice Kamala was intending to eliminate taxes on tips too.
Ahh, I love this one! Fast ball right down the middle, and I have a torpedo bat.
I'm an independent but completely anti-MAGA, as a MAGA, you won't understand what I'm about to say, maybe a 15-paragraph response from you?
I vote for the lesser of two evils, which means I don't have to support everything the candidate I vote for supports. Biden's immigration policy or lack of policy was a complete joke and a complete failure, but he wasn't Trump, the worst President in history. This is where my independent thinking crushes your MAGA protect him at all costs approach.
So I'll ask for the third time to explain this timeline to me, when I asked what Biden policies cause inflation, you answered and never responded to my post.
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Originally posted by: CharlesII
Oh little things like adding 8.3 trillion to the national debt. This + the Fed's easy money policy was the root casue of our 40 year record inflation and decline in real wages.. That's kind of the definition of reckless spending.
Exactly Legislation like:
American Rescue Plan 1.9 trillion.
Infrastrucure and Jobs Act 1.2 trillion.
So called Inflation Reduction Act.1.2 trillion.
American Rescue Plan helped increase the inflation rate higher than it would have been without the bill, the Cares Act was also a factor.
The inflation rate was 6.8% in November of 2021 when the Infrastructure Act was passed, it was at 2.9% in December 2024. I don't think building infrastructure is reckless, Trump sure talked a lot about it during his first term with the usual MAGA results, none.
By November of 2023, 80% of the funds were still left to be awarded.
Brooking Institue:
"Formula and direct federal spending continue to move at a steady pace, already pumping $306 billion into state coffers and direct investment projects. And like an athlete who grows into a game, competitive grantmaking is steadily increasing, with 80% of all competitive funding still left to be awarded. Just as importantly, the Biden administration has shown no flagrant political bias in splitting awards among states—certainly welcome news to the bipartisan legislators who authored the bill."
The inflation rate was 8.3% in August of 2022 when the Inflation Reduction Act was passed, it was at 2.9% in December of 2024.
As the "reckless spending" began to work it's way into the economy the inflation rate fell, your hypothesis doesn't hold up very well to a simple timeline.
