Wage growth outpaces inflation; Republicans moan and whine

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

So annualized inflation is 3.2% since last year?  Do you find that to be even close in anything you spend your money on Kevin? 

 

I couldn't give one shit what our government tells us.  I trust them about as far as I could throw them, no matter who is in charge.  The only people that believe their data points are fools.  


"Annualized," by definition, doesn't include "since last year." Amazing how many people are confused by that term.

 

I've noticed that conservitards take bad news as gospel but good news as fake. Must be that brain defect.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics ( BLS, the US govt. entity that traditionally reports CPI and inflation stats) reported a 4% annualized inflation rate ending May 2023 ( latest currently available; June stats aren't out until next week as Tom commented).

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/13/heres-the-inflation-breakdown-for-may-2023-in-one-chart.html

 

A perusal of the core categories of year over year  consumer price changes in the above linked report support the fact that overall consumer prices have increased 10 - 20 % since Biden has been in office. Those aren't my cherry -picked stats..those are from the US government. The pandemic - related govt spending response ( both from the necessary and unnecessary categories; we can debate those until infinity and/or until the cows come home) was and continues to be a driving force behind inflation trends. The populace somewhat went nuts during and after the pandemic in their spending habits..pent-up demand and its aftermath, etc. Current consumer credit card debt for US consumers is just shy of a trillion dollars ( record high, of course) and credit card interest rates in general are the highest in history; savings have been dipped into and/or depleted for many in those categories as well. The most recent stats indicate that at least those in the low and middle class categories are spending less in the past couple months based on credit card spending numbers. Evidently a few people are finally saying no to profligate spending at home.

 

One spending category that has declined significantly is gas prices at the pump; the  year-over-year comparison( May 2022 vs May 2023) shows an average 20% reduction in retail gas pricing for consumers. That's effectually a big deal and is likely a major factor affecting the current decrease in some of the overall reported inflationary metrics. Food prices at the grocery store continue to escalate  generally speaking ( up 6.7% vs the same time last year - in May). Many buy gas..and everybody eats (even bulemic supermodels)..those two factors affect most of the population on a daily basis. Rental car prices and airfares , according to the report, have decreased 12+ and 13+ %, respectively vs May of last year; that might be a bit of good news for some Vegas visitors (or not;  both are good news for some of us).

 

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the football season...it's a reasonable distraction from all this economic reality.

Edited on Jul 9, 2023 9:56am
Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

So annualized inflation is 3.2% since last year?  Do you find that to be even close in anything you spend your money on Kevin? 

 

I couldn't give one shit what our government tells us.  I trust them about as far as I could throw them, no matter who is in charge.  The only people that believe their data points are fools.  


You think they fudge CPI , labor and workforce participation stats, and inflation numbers, then? I'd say both sides do that regularly. *l*

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

You think they fudge CPI , labor and workforce participation stats, and inflation numbers, then? I'd say both sides do that regularly. *l*


Yes, for sure; both parties do it.  

 

So what does it matter what annualized inflation is then if we are up 10-20% since Biden has been in office? (And that seems low as well)  Doesn't that seem to be what matters, Kevin?  Who cares about your fucking 3.2% figure.  It is as meaningless as a Todd opinion.  


Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

Yes, for sure; both parties do it.  

 

So what does it matter what annualized inflation is then if we are up 10-20% since Biden has been in office? (And that seems low as well)  Doesn't that seem to be what matters, Kevin?  Who cares about your fucking 3.2% figure.  It is as meaningless as a Todd opinion.  


Some goods and services prices have obviously increased beyond that 10-20% window, sure;  but their own reported numbers support those  levels of increase.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

The Bureau of Labor Statistics ( BLS, the US govt. entity that traditionally reports CPI and inflation stats) reported a 4% annualized inflation rate ending May 2023 ( latest currently available; June stats aren't out until next week as Tom commented).

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/13/heres-the-inflation-breakdown-for-may-2023-in-one-chart.html

 

A perusal of the core categories of year over year  consumer price changes in the above linked report support the fact that overall consumer prices have increased 10 - 20 % since Biden has been in office. Those aren't my cherry -picked stats..those are from the US government. The pandemic - related govt spending response ( both from the necessary and unnecessary categories; we can debate those until infinity and/or until the cows come home) was and continues to be a driving force behind inflation trends. The populace somewhat went nuts during and after the pandemic in their spending habits..pent-up demand and its aftermath, etc. Current consumer credit card debt for US consumers is just shy of a trillion dollars ( record high, of course) and credit card interest rates in general are the highest in history; savings have been dipped into and/or depleted for many in those categories as well. The most recent stats indicate that at least those in the low and middle class categories are spending less in the past couple months based on credit card spending numbers. Evidently a few people are finally saying no to profligate spending at home.

 

One spending category that has declined significantly is gas prices at the pump; the  year-over-year comparison( May 2022 vs May 2023) shows an average 20% reduction in retail gas pricing for consumers. That's effectually a big deal and is likely a major factor affecting the current decrease in some of the overall reported inflationary metrics. Food prices at the grocery store continue to escalate  generally speaking ( up 6.7% vs the same time last year - in May). Many buy gas..and everybody eats (even bulemic supermodels)..those two factors affect most of the population on a daily basis. Rental car prices and airfares , according to the report, have decreased 12+ and 13+ %, respectively vs May of last year; that might be a bit of good news for some Vegas visitors (or not;  both are good news for some of us).

 

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the football season...it's a reasonable distraction from all this economic reality.


Thats right - inflation went up 10-20 percent since Biden took office.   And wages went up even more.  

So we have officially picked up the slack.   Wages outpace inflation

 

And thanks for the breakdown of CPI.     The fact that its so scattered proves its not a money supply issue so much as its specific to the circumstances of COVID, Ukraine, and climate.   Housing, Rent, and automobiles are actually suffering from a massive supply shortage which is antithetical to our raised interest rate environment.    Grain is suffering from Ukraine.   And other food is suffering from horrible crop yilds this year.

 

Gasoline, steel, commodites are all down.  They wouldnt be if it was money supply.

 

 

The ongoing right wing narrative that David Miller's welfar checks were the primary cause of inflation is largely already been refuted by data - certainly on any sustaining basis.    We have enough data now to understand its cause.

 

What causes inflation since COVID

 

"Ball and colleagues conclude that the rise in the ratio of job vacancies to unemployment contributed almost a third of the rise in core inflation of 2.0 percentage points over a 12-month period. The 2.0-percentage-point increase in inflation explains about half the rise in core inflation, climbing from 2.3 to 6.9 percent (total increase of 4.6 percentage points). And finally, they found that the main contributors to the headline inflation shocks were energy prices (2.7 percentage points) and a backlog of work (1.7 percentage points)."

The Homo from Omro is oh so desperate for my attention....

LREIGJ'sH

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

You think they fudge CPI , labor and workforce participation stats, and inflation numbers, then? I'd say both sides do that regularly. *l*


Kind of disingenuous for you guys to take all the gloom and doom numbers as absolute gospel truth but positive-trend numbers from the exact same sources as just more o'dat gummint BS...isn't it?

 

The point is, inflation is leveling off...as it had to. The degree of credit you can give the administration for that will no doubt depend on your political/ideological leanings rather than an honest assessment. I however am an exception. As a stinkin' LIBBURUL DEMMURKAT, I am generally supportive of Biden...but I realize that in the grand scheme of things, ANY Presidential administration's efforts to affect the economy are on the order of an ant trying to move one of the Pyramids.

 

In other words, Biden wasn't to blame for inflation, and he doesn't deserve anything but minimal credit for reining it in now. But people like stupid Tommie-poo are so rabidly anti-Biden, he freaked out when I reported some moderately good news. Can't have that y'know!

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

Yes, for sure; both parties do it.  

 

So what does it matter what annualized inflation is then if we are up 10-20% since Biden has been in office? (And that seems low as well)  Doesn't that seem to be what matters, Kevin?  Who cares about your fucking 3.2% figure.  It is as meaningless as a Todd opinion.  


No, actually, what matters is what's happening now. And the factors that contributed to inflation have zip, zero, zilch to do with who happens to be President, so "since Biden has been in office" is a meaningless benchmark, even if you're like stupid Tommie-poo and think that everything bad, including earthquakes, is Biden's fault.

 

I do realize that "annualized" is one of those arcane concepts that's WAYYYY over conservitard heads, but we "annualize" other variable amounts as well, such as people's salaries. If someone gets a raise from $5K/month to $6K/month, he's now making $72K a year, right? Even though he's yet to receive the first of his larger paychecks.

 

You'd think The Party of Fiscal Responsibility would understand that.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-states-incomes-economic-growth-bureau-of-economic-analysis-465ce23?mod=opinion_lead_pos1

 

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