What resources are NYC and DC officials giving to illegals?

Originally posted by: PackerBackerAZ

Do you honestly believe that 100% of those crossing the border and turning themselves in are in need of asylum? If not, then what percentage do you believe are in legitimate need of asylum? My guess is less than 1%. Every time one of them is interviewed they say they're here for a job, better life or there was nothing at home for them. That's from abc, cbs and nbc interviews. Nothing about a real need for asylum. Also, what about the estimated 30,000 or more illegals per month not turning themselves in at the border? Are they here legally?

Are these legal asylum seekers being given Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers so they can pay taxes? What about social security? Does the employer and his legal asylum seeker pay into social security? Of course the asylum seeker doesn't pay into social security since they don't have a valid social security number. Does that mean the employer doesn't pay either?

Of course, rather than answer the questions, you'll just play the phony racist card. That's about all you have, though.


Why dont you take a vacation down to El Salvador and get back to us?

 

The vast majority of  assylum seekers are ultimately turned back....

Assylum seekers admited by year

that doesnt change the fact they are allowed to apply.   That a perfectly legal process.   When people say that process is illegal they are lying.   Yopu being upset about legal immigration doesnt make it illegal.     So Ask yourself why you feel compelled to lie about it.

 

And seeing as how the economy is starved for workers (especailly the low skilled kind)  I cant even begin to imagine what the objection is to letting people come in and fill those jobs.   I mean - unless you dont like them for some reason.   I'm sure race has nothing to do with it.

I have nothing at all against legal immigration. I just don't consider someone lying about needing asylum to be here legally. In case you haven't noticed, our immigration system is worthless.

You mention all the for work signs in NYC. When a migrant takes a low-skilled job, with the low wage accompanying it, how do they live in NYC? With so many citizens losing their ability to have a place to stay due to increased rent, where are these hundreds of thousands of migrants going to stay? Whether you believe it or not, securing the border is the beginning of common sense immigration policy. Not the end of the world.

They didnt choose to go to NYC - thats where the governor of Texas sent them.   Most of them wont stay - just like they didnt stay in Texas prior to that political stunt.   Many of them have relatives scattered accross the country which is where they want to go...and where they will end up.       And there's plenty of jobs for them to take presuming they are allowed to stay.

 

You want to discuss shoring up the border and making illegal crossings harder?  Fine.  Thats a worthy topic.  But it has nothing to do with assylum seekers coming to AMerica.   People who call that illegal are lying like Boilerman, Tom, and David.   Dont be like Boilerman, Tom, and David.

 

 

 

Edited on Aug 23, 2022 1:22pm

They didnt choose to go to NYC -

 

Wrong - they were offered the chance to go & they did.

 

Most of them wont stay -

 

They are being placed in hotels in the city

 

just like they didnt stay in Texas prior to that political stunt.

 

The feds send them all over the country as they don't want 2m people piled up at the border - bad optics.

 

Many of them have relatives scattered accross the country which is where they want to go...

 

Relatives - proof?

 

And there's plenty of jobs for them to take presuming they are allowed to stay

 

My proof is the "help wanted" sign in every small, medium, and large business in the country

 

There is no proof that they are taking these jobs, if they are even qualified & by the way unemployment claims are up 7 weeks in a row, so the open jobs issue may be coming to an end

 

But it has nothing to do with assylum seekers coming to AMerica.

 

The most asylum requests in a year are capped at around 100,000.  We have over 1m released into the country and many are swimming across the border & hiding in trucks so the asylum story is bogus.  What about the over 1m gotaways this year.  We don't know who they are & where they have gone.  What about the drug smuggling?

 

The LVA squad won't answer these questions

Edited on Aug 23, 2022 1:44pm

Originally posted by: PackerBackerAZ

Do you honestly believe that 100% of those crossing the border and turning themselves in are in need of asylum? If not, then what percentage do you believe are in legitimate need of asylum? My guess is less than 1%. Every time one of them is interviewed they say they're here for a job, better life or there was nothing at home for them. That's from abc, cbs and nbc interviews. Nothing about a real need for asylum. Also, what about the estimated 30,000 or more illegals per month not turning themselves in at the border? Are they here legally?

Are these legal asylum seekers being given Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers so they can pay taxes? What about social security? Does the employer and his legal asylum seeker pay into social security? Of course the asylum seeker doesn't pay into social security since they don't have a valid social security number. Does that mean the employer doesn't pay either?

Of course, rather than answer the questions, you'll just play the phony racist card. That's about all you have, though.


I'd just like to address the particular depths of ignorance related to your dumbass assumption about employment, social security numbers, and THEM FEEELTHY ILLEEGUL ALIENZ.

 

Only a very few employers would ever dare to employ people and pay them under the table. The penalties are much too high if they're caught. I agree it used to be much more prevalent, but no longer. It could be stopped altogether with better IRS enforcement, but the party of fiscal responsibility has always been against funding the IRS well enough to do its job. Go figure.

 

ANYONE who asks can get an SSN. It costs nothing. The alternative is to get an ITIN. In either case, taxes are withheld from wages. Any employer who doesn't do that is guilty of a federal (and probably state) crime.

 

During DEMOCRATIC administrations, the SSA was told not to share info with the INS unless there was a criminal investigation. The idea was to avoid deterring foreign workers from getting an SSN, so that their employers would employ them legally, and they and their employers would pay taxes. During Republican administrations, race hatred took priority and drove a lot of workers back to cash and no taxes; even workers here legally were afraid of all the raids and shakedowns.

 

I'm amused by the party of fiscal responsibility engaging in policies that reduce US tax revenue and drastically elevate costs.

 

And in case I didn't make myself clear, yes, employing people and not paying taxes, or being employed and not paying taxes, are crimes. Also...yes, if someone has a SSN or ITIN, they WILL pay into Social Security, and incidentally, never realize a penny of benefits unless they eventually become US citizens.

 

So them GOL-DURN IMMERGENTS subsidize the retirement funds of the very same crusty old conservitards who want to wipe them off the face of the earth. In fact, if not for contributions made by guest workers, Social Security would already be operating at a net deficit.

 

So don't blow up that taco truck.

Originally posted by: tom

They didnt choose to go to NYC -

 

Wrong - they were offered the chance to go & they did.

 

Most of them wont stay -

 

They are being placed in hotels in the city

 

just like they didnt stay in Texas prior to that political stunt.

 

The feds send them all over the country as they don't want 2m people piled up at the border - bad optics.

 

Many of them have relatives scattered accross the country which is where they want to go...

 

Relatives - proof?

 

And there's plenty of jobs for them to take presuming they are allowed to stay

 

My proof is the "help wanted" sign in every small, medium, and large business in the country

 

There is no proof that they are taking these jobs, if they are even qualified & by the way unemployment claims are up 7 weeks in a row, so the open jobs issue may be coming to an end

 

But it has nothing to do with assylum seekers coming to AMerica.

 

The most asylum requests in a year are capped at around 100,000.  We have over 1m released into the country and many are swimming across the border & hiding in trucks so the asylum story is bogus.  What about the over 1m gotaways this year.  We don't know who they are & where they have gone.  What about the drug smuggling?

 

The LVA squad won't answer these questions


If they're "released," then they're here legally.

 

Stupid Tommie-poo.

Kevin, even with the snide mocking tone of your answer, I appreciate it. I asked those questions because I really didn't know the answers. I am happy to know that the alleged asylum seekers can get a social security card.

They are released because we can't handle the overflow.  They are not given green cards & can be deported. 

Perhaps if we had 87,000 border agents we could handle the rampage, detect illegal drugs & save lives.   

kevin prefers the chaos. 

Originally posted by: PackerBackerAZ

Kevin, even with the snide mocking tone of your answer, I appreciate it. I asked those questions because I really didn't know the answers. I am happy to know that the alleged asylum seekers can get a social security card.


You're welcome---but I have to ask: given that you truly didn't know much about this topic, why did you feel OK with assuming your indignant fists-shaking in the air stance?

 

Here's the reality. We benefit greatly from immigration, and that includes illegal immigration. That's the reason we haven't set up machine gun nests and minefields on the border (and why Da Wall was such a stupid idea).

 

I wonder if the conservitards turning purple about the 183 trillion illegals or however many the current complaining says realize that four out of every five illegals arrived here legally. What made them illegals is they overstayed their student/work visas; which means they're continuing to do what they were admitted to this country for. I somehow doubt that justifies the release-the-hounds mentality if Jorge is still working for that landscaping company in Phoenix even though his visa has expired and he's now an ILLEGAL.

 

I would strongly urge you, if you're interested, to honestly research the contribution that immigrants and temporary workers make to our economy (including "illegals") and reduce our government deficit (by paying taxes while drawing very few social benefits). You might be surprised what would happen to our economy if all the "illegals" were rounded up and killed a la Trump/Boiler/etc.

Originally posted by: tom

They didnt choose to go to NYC -

 

Wrong - they were offered the chance to go & they did.

 

Most of them wont stay -

 

They are being placed in hotels in the city

 

just like they didnt stay in Texas prior to that political stunt.

 

The feds send them all over the country as they don't want 2m people piled up at the border - bad optics.

 

Many of them have relatives scattered accross the country which is where they want to go...

 

Relatives - proof?

 

And there's plenty of jobs for them to take presuming they are allowed to stay

 

My proof is the "help wanted" sign in every small, medium, and large business in the country

 

There is no proof that they are taking these jobs, if they are even qualified & by the way unemployment claims are up 7 weeks in a row, so the open jobs issue may be coming to an end

 

But it has nothing to do with assylum seekers coming to AMerica.

 

The most asylum requests in a year are capped at around 100,000.  We have over 1m released into the country and many are swimming across the border & hiding in trucks so the asylum story is bogus.  What about the over 1m gotaways this year.  We don't know who they are & where they have gone.  What about the drug smuggling?

 

The LVA squad won't answer these questions


And a big, fat "so what"?

Your ancestors where given temporary quarters while they were transitioning during the immigration process too.  ANd I'm sure there was some knuckle dragging bigot who wasnt happy about it - but that didnt make it illegal.   Are the assylum seekers from last year still living in NYC hotels - or did they get placed?

 

And please dont speak to me about "proof".   You've done nothing but barf up right wing lies on this thread - not the least of which is calling assylum seekers "illegal".    Why do you tell sleazy lies to demagogue people  like that, Tom?

 

Next time you go on a Las Vegas vacation you should realize the people cleaning your hotel room, washing your dishes, busting your tables, and taking out your garbage are the same ones your are ragging on in this thread.   They came here to work for a living doing the shit that you and I wont.   If you cant appreciatte that then you should boycott the businesses who  utilize their labor.     You wont be leaving the house much,

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