When does law enforcement violate civil rights?

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Having studied American history quite extensively, my impression from what I know about the Constitution negotiations is that the slave states didn't expect their slave populations to count at all. The original plan floated was that House representation would depend on the number of eligible voters, not on the overall population, of a state. Which actually makes more sense than what was done.

 

So I think the were quite happy with the compromise. The net effect was still to increase the power of Southern voters by 60% compared to those in free states.

 

Fun Mormon fact: the huge birth rate in Utah, from its founding to the present day, was built on Brother Brigham's intent to increase Utah's House representation and Electoral College votes. Of course, he had originally fiercely resisted Utah becoming part of the US at all (some say that he didn't want to lose his harem, bigamy being illegal in the US), but once he was pretty much persuaded at gunpoint, he wanted to get Utah the best deal possible.


I don't know if distributing representatives in apportionment to voters rather than population would have been a good idea. If I recall correctly land ownership was a requirement to vote at the time. Not sure if non-land-holding citizens would tolerate not having representation. 

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

I don't know if distributing representatives in apportionment to voters rather than population would have been a good idea. If I recall correctly land ownership was a requirement to vote at the time. Not sure if non-land-holding citizens would tolerate not having representation. 


Yeah, only three states initially had universal white male suffrage. It didn't happen nationwide until the late 1820s (and there were still a couple of holdouts). Free black men usually couldn't vote, even in free states.

 

The requirements varied. Sometimes it was land ownership, sometimes it was assets, and sometimes it was the ability to pay a poll tax. Unfranchised citizens didn't really have representation anyway. They had zero say in what went on in the state and federal governments or in who represented them. Even though House representation.and Electoral College votes depended on total population, only those who were franchised were truly represented. So total population representation was a fiction anyway.

 

Another reason for representation by number of eligible voters would have been that it offered a strong incentive for those in power to add to the voter rolls. As it was, the incentive was to make more babies.

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