When Does Protesting Become Obstruction?: Is Being A Nuisance A Crime?

Originally posted by: Brent Kline

I think the problems with the protesting is it is all political.  If a union goes on strike against a casino they are allowed to picket and protest people going into those casinos peacefully.  They are not allowed to throw rocks , snowballs or block the parking garages etc.

      What we have been seeing lately is when a republican is in office and trying to enforce policy, leaders of Democrat cities have allowed protests to get out of hand.  They even come out and encourage it and tell the local law enforcement to look the orher way.  These local leaders seem to think this will lead to higher office .  This seems to be the only real issue they care about and if someone is late getting to work because the highway is blocked then that is just the price you have to pay.


What we've seen is Right Wing protestors who strangle cops and beat them over the head with flag poles get pardoned and are called Patriots who were victims of an abusive and weaponized DOJ that held them accountable for doing that.

 

Left wing protestors who park their car obstructing an ICE raid get shot and killed.    And are called domestic terrorists.

 

 

Don't forget PJ that one on the right got shot and killed as well.  I guess she may have had the right to be there, but she should have made a better choice no matter who she supported politically.  And it does seem a little similar in that people wanted both of these protests to get out of hand   More law enforcement would have prevented JAN 6, and the same can be said for Minnisota.

Left wing protestors who park their car obstructing an ICE raid get shot and killed.

 

What if she ran over the agent and killed him?

Originally posted by: Brent Kline

Don't forget PJ that one on the right got shot and killed as well.  I guess she may have had the right to be there, but she should have made a better choice no matter who she supported politically.  And it does seem a little similar in that people wanted both of these protests to get out of hand   More law enforcement would have prevented JAN 6, and the same can be said for Minnisota.


Some people understand that standing up for what you believe is important. I certainly think standing up for our Constitution is important given that we have a chief executive that ignores it when it's inconvenient for him. I don't know if you caught this, but several DOJ prosecutors just resigned because the Trump administration refuses to let them follow the standard procedure for any officer shooting. They have been ordered by the guy you voted for to not follow standard procedure and determine if the thugs action was lawful or unlawful. 

 

At the same time they are telling they the state of Minnesota law enforcement that they're not allowed to speak to witnesses because it's still an active investigation even though they have no intention of investigating it. 

 

When the government begins assassinating people in the street, doesn't follow the constitution and has a law-enforcement out and out tell lies that nobody believes, it is contemptible and anybody that participates in such a scheme is irredeemable for the rest of their life as far as I'm concerned. My hope is after America's fascist era ends, that the entire MAGA movement and its participants are seen just like former members of the Nazi party were seen after World War II.


Originally posted by: Brent Kline

Don't forget PJ that one on the right got shot and killed as well.  I guess she may have had the right to be there, but she should have made a better choice no matter who she supported politically.  And it does seem a little similar in that people wanted both of these protests to get out of hand   More law enforcement would have prevented JAN 6, and the same can be said for Minnisota.


She was shot in the act of kicking down the door to Congress with a crowd of people shouting "Kill Nancy".

That was immediately following the same crowd beating and choking police to access the Capital.

 

Oh - and she did NOT have the right to be there.   If you have to beat and choke police to access and area - that should be your first clue that you dont have the right to be there.

 

But, yeah, other than that - same thing. 

 

 

 

Originally posted by: tom

Left wing protestors who park their car obstructing an ICE raid get shot and killed.

 

What if she ran over the agent and killed him?


What if Charlie Kirk tried to run over someone right before he was shot?

 

Hmmmm.....maybe asking a hypothetical question about something that didnt happen will justify what actually did happen

 

Great point, Tom

 

 

Originally posted by: Brent Kline

Don't forget PJ that one on the right got shot and killed as well.  I guess she may have had the right to be there, but she should have made a better choice no matter who she supported politically.  And it does seem a little similar in that people wanted both of these protests to get out of hand   More law enforcement would have prevented JAN 6, and the same can be said for Minnisota.


You MAGAs absolutely,, positively LUVVVV false equivalence arguments, don't you? What the Minnesota victim was doing (parking her car unlawfully! Zounds!!!) isn't remotely comparable to what the Jan 6 mob was doing.

 

Your smearing of the Minnesota protestors by saying they wanted things to get out of hand is simply a lie. And it's an act of assholery as well.

 

And I actually doubt that all or even most of the Jan 6 protestors wanted that, either. But mob rule spread and took over.

Originally posted by: Inigo Montoya

Police still try to charge you for this, but it was resolved some years back, it's free speech to signal another driver to be cautious.


Thanks, Inigo.  I had wondered about it.  Makes sense.

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

Thanks, Inigo.  I had wondered about it.  Makes sense.


What Iggo said is probably generally true, but I've observed people getting nailed on the freeway by the Asshole Patrol for doing exactly that. I grew quite familiar with speed traps in the Bay Area and Sacramento, so after a while, I knew where they were--they were pretty much always in the same places, like at the bottom of a long hill where drivers' speeds would be temporarily elevated.

 

Of course, when they pulled a light-flashing driver over, it was never about that. It was always some kind of bogus safety equipment violation. A cop once told me that they could "find" such a violation on any car, even one that had just rolled off the dealer's lot. Usually, the CHP officer didn't even write a ticket, but the real reason for the stop was made clear (not in so many words, but unmistakable).

 

A rather substantial stink was eventually raised about this and it being California and not someplace like Tay-ucks-ass, the CHP were told to ease off.

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