When the dust settles and the Rino's are reigned in Jim Jordan WILL be Speaker of the House

That's right..I will generally vote for them excluding those actually caught diddling with livestock.  But that doesn't mean I'm not generally pissed off at them for acting like a bunch of aimless children at the moment. Gnaw on that...gleefully. You folks aren't going to solve it in here, that's for certain.

More cowbells!....

Funny...if the folks I voted for wound up wandering around in circles and doing nothing because their desire to destroy the system couldn't, darn it, be fulfilled...I wouldn't vote for them next time. Let's say that, like them, like you, I hated GUMMINT and wanted to burn it all down...well, they're doing a magnificently piss-poor job of it, aren't they?

I guess because they're the insurrectionist party, they figured that just throwing their wrenches into the machinery would be the best strategy. But the silly ol' obstacle is that they're trying to wreck a democratic institution using democratic methods--which are self-correcting. They do so very much wish they could just drag Emperor Trump out of the courthouse and have him start issuing edicts.

So I have some advice for you to forward to your RepubliQ buddies. Hitler first tried the Beer Hall Putsch. Ten years later, he was democratically elected. Tell them to subvert democracy using democracy's tools, if they want to obtain that absolute power they crave. Give people a reason to vote for them. Right now, it's all about race hatred and stripping away people's rights. That really juices up some people, true, but not enough for them to win. They need new material.

Pinned!!!

The reason you wouldn't vote for them goes way beyond their current behavior on the Speaker issue. Admit it. And you continue to be hung up on the race hatred thing..as if this was still the 60's/ 70's. Think/ do / say what ya want, you and your Sink associates.

Nahh..only in your mind. I'm not in that wrestling tournament, Margaret...never signed up..purposefully. Your pampiniform plexus is off the rails.

You didn't read my post very carefully. I said that if I wished for the collapse and destruction of American BIG GUMMINT, like the RepubliQ clowns who are the architects of this clusterfuck, I'd abandon them in disgust. But I don't think you, or most of the rest of the loyal RepubliQ rank and file, will do that.

I mean, yes, we each have reasons to not vote for them, and mine is the original reason. But why are YOU continuing to prop them up? They're failing miserably in executing your ideological imperatives.

And the reason I'm "hung up" on race hatred BTW is that it continues to be a major motivator for a sickeningly large proportion of RepubliQ decisions and actions. You have to be pretty fucking stupid/naive to think that race hatred is a thing of the past, or that racial animus doesn't motivate legislative decisions.

You don't read so well, either. I didn't prop them up on this issue regarding the speakership . And if I generally support traditional conservative principles which is routine/ perpetual for me, it doesn't mean I support them when they behave like autistic/ ADD children or spend our tax dollars beyond our means. They need to hook up and move on.. a week+ ago. I guess they think the voting R's will forget their behavior on this issue.

Further, show me some proof of rampant race hatred behavior by the main body of R's recently. I previously showed you portions of the historical proof regarding race bigotry by the D's in some other rampant bleatfest thread in here..you discounted it and suggested that the current class of D's don't practice those attitudes anymore. You simply conclude all arguments with a standard approach that all conservatives suck and all D's are noble angels despite the technical aspects of governing principle / philosophies. My argument on that is members of both groups make mistakes, some of which aren't good for the majority of the population; it's humanity cloaked in self-interest for the grand majority. Your all or none attitude about D vs R approaches is just wrong, and doesn't have a damned thing to do with fairness, inclusion, equity and all those other related and publicly espoused D mantras that we've heard during the last few years. So, the disagreements are once again axioms now..vote your conscience.

And don't ever call me stupid again..find another virtue victim to practice that on. Sit on the other side of the bar with that crap. You have grammar skills and can spell, but often your arguments are quite shallow and / or erroneous (beyond  base ideological principles). Have fun, though..go ahead on.

Whats the definition of "recent" in regards to Republican sponcered hatred of blacks?

Because "recently" Republicans have done this:

- FOund guilty by the Republican Supreme Court for drawing a race-driven gerrymandered map in Alabama which the State of Alabama has said they will move forward with anyway- Despite a court order from the highest court in the country.  stay tuned on that mess.

- Texas Instituting State control over elections in the largest black county of that state.    And nowhere else

- The black DA attorney overseeing the Trump trial in Atlanta has received a multitude of race-based harrassment and death threats in the wake of Trump attacking her on Social Media.

- The runner-up candidate for the Republican nomination to President and sitting governor of Florida has banned books in schools related to Civil Rights history and figures....and no longer allows classes to be taught about those chapters of our history.

- The election volunteers in Georiga  recently  awarded a settlement after Trump and conservative media sent an army of conservaitve scumbags to their house to  harass and threaten to kill them

I could go on...but...you know.....

   More twisted lies from P-athetic J-erk. 

OK, Charles, you're far from stupid, but you have some profoundly stupid beliefs, which is far more shameful than the Shortbus Trio (etc.) having those same beliefs. You literally should know better.

And PJ did an excellent job of pointing out some examples of race hatred-motivated actions by Republicans. I can perhaps excuse some portion of all that crap by recognizing that the RepubliQ targets blacks not because they're black per se, but because blacks tend to vote Democrat. Nonetheless, nonwhites are the groups most harmed by those actions.

Don't try to pull the old reductio ad absurdum argument with me. I never claimed nobility on the part of Democrats, or absolute evil on the part of Republicans. I DO claim, however, that Democratic actions, policies, and attitudes are more oriented--MUCH more--toward the good of the people than Republican actions, policies, and attitudes. You can't plausibly or rationally deny that. Corporate welfare is on Page One of the Republican playbook.

And y'know what's really sad, Charles? They've managed to convince you--and a LOT of other folks--that boosting corporate share value is the surest shining path to overall happiness and prosperity. You evidently are a true believer in that shibboleth--despite all that historical evidence that you love indicating the exact opposite.