When you’re finding fraud and someone yells STOP!

Originally posted by: Nines

Multiple government-oriented and directly affiliated agencies (  these reports are FROM  US Govt groups) have stated and warned for several years regarding the unsustainable mountain of debt this country is currently operating under..and it's perpetually getting deeper. These entities include Bureau of Fiscal Services, the Government Accountability Office, the Tax Foundation, Research Affiliates, and the Congressional Budget Office ; hell, Google their reports. This is largely from purely governmental sources / entities..the supposed trough we all water / consume from.

 

Bi-partisan waste / fraud / overspending has now come home to roost with a national debt of 37T. Yet now that government leadership is attempting to address these issues directly with fervor, the left including the politicians hit the streets in protest. The entire citizenry has to operate under some type of budgetary cap with restraints..why shouldn't we demand our government do the same? It's been 30+ years since we had a balanced budget.  The descriptive term 'big government' and associative spending trends has put us in a deep fiscal hole. I don't care who or how one votes, the problem is much bigger and beyond that. 

 

The left bemoans and protests the cost-cutting attempts simply because it's the other side.. that's the basis. I'll revisit and state again that these actions have to be backed by legislation in order to be sustainable and that multiple courts and blow-ups are happening and will happen until laws are enacted regarding funding cuts. So that bus needs a GPS reset but is at least attempting to head in the right direction, imo. 

 

The debate regarding specific program and agency cuts will be an inherent component of congressional legislation; there will remain specific spending and program conflicts that both sides will disagree with after laws are enacted..but it's the general direction that counts. Gotta do something, girls.


Given your stridency and stalwart dedication to the cause, you should be against federal budgets that create deficits, right?

 

And if that's so, you should be against BOTH a) spending above revenue AND/OR b) collecting revenue below spending. Either produces the same result, right? Ultimately, increased debt?

 

Yet, the conservitard/MAGA shibboleth has been, for decades, a crusade against DAT HORRIBUL GUMMINT A'SPENDIN'. Never mind moves that gut the revenue side of the equation, such as Trump's tax giveaways for the rich. He cut tax revenue from corporations IN HALF. That functionally had the same effect as a 50% spending increase (given a crude estimate of a 50/50 split in tax revenues between individuals and corporations).

 

So it's cryingly obvious that in addition to reining in spending, we also have to increase revenue. Restoring corporate taxation to pre-Trump levels would do much toward reducing the deficit and thus, the national debt.

 

But do you think that will ever happen? Do you think that Queen Elon will ever allow it? Lots of luck! It's much easier to go on pointing fingers at DAT HORRIBUL GUMMINT A'SPENDIN.

 

Your stupidly simplistic representation of how "the left" reacts to so-called "cost-cutting" ignores the fact that many of the costs being cut are being done so indiscriminately and without forethought or analysis. Elon's slash-and-burn "agency" would solve every problem by nuking it. That's the opposite of beneficial.

 

I would also recommend that conservatives finally admit that pissing away trillions is OK with them as long as it's pissed away on something they LIKE.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Given your stridency and stalwart dedication to the cause, you should be against federal budgets that create deficits, right?

 

And if that's so, you should be against BOTH a) spending above revenue AND/OR b) collecting revenue below spending. Either produces the same result, right? Ultimately, increased debt?

 

Yet, the conservitard/MAGA shibboleth has been, for decades, a crusade against DAT HORRIBUL GUMMINT A'SPENDIN'. Never mind moves that gut the revenue side of the equation, such as Trump's tax giveaways for the rich. He cut tax revenue from corporations IN HALF. That functionally had the same effect as a 50% spending increase (given a crude estimate of a 50/50 split in tax revenues between individuals and corporations).

 

So it's cryingly obvious that in addition to reining in spending, we also have to increase revenue. Restoring corporate taxation to pre-Trump levels would do much toward reducing the deficit and thus, the national debt.

 

But do you think that will ever happen? Do you think that Queen Elon will ever allow it? Lots of luck! It's much easier to go on pointing fingers at DAT HORRIBUL GUMMINT A'SPENDIN.

 

Your stupidly simplistic representation of how "the left" reacts to so-called "cost-cutting" ignores the fact that many of the costs being cut are being done so indiscriminately and without forethought or analysis. Elon's slash-and-burn "agency" would solve every problem by nuking it. That's the opposite of beneficial.

 

I would also recommend that conservatives finally admit that pissing away trillions is OK with them as long as it's pissed away on something they LIKE.


You once again make it all about the conflict..along with misrepresentation of what was asserted. I give the conservatives credit for contributing to the problem..thus the term 'bipartisan' in my post. And the litigation / ensuing laws regarding these spending cuts / agency demo will still have tenets that piss off both sides. Nobody on either side will like all the law outcomes..they never have. You're completely incapable of a rational approach to the real problem, eg we're spending ourselves off into the abyss. Beat on somebody else that can see things through your myopic lenses.

Originally posted by: Nines

You once again make it all about the conflict..along with misrepresentation of what was asserted. I give the conservatives credit for contributing to the problem..thus the term 'bipartisan' in my post. And the litigation / ensuing laws regarding these spending cuts / agency demo will still have tenets that piss off both sides. Nobody on either side will like all the law outcomes..they never have. You're completely incapable of a rational approach to the real problem, eg we're spending ourselves off into the abyss. Beat on somebody else that can see things through your myopic lenses.


Kevin has said many times that it's worth it to overspend our means indefinitely as long as it brings short term positives.  

Originally posted by: Boilerman

Kevin has said many times that it's worth it to overspend our means indefinitely as long as it brings short term positives.  


Yeah, well. I don't assess it that way..at all. There will be an end to the profligate spending in some form; I just hope it's not catastrophic.


Originally posted by: Boilerman

Kevin has said many times that it's worth it to overspend our means indefinitely as long as it brings short term positives.  


And you are saying it's ok for elected officals to break the law and take shortcuts instead of doing things the legal way. 

Originally posted by: Boilerman

Kevin has said many times that it's worth it to overspend our means indefinitely as long as it brings short term positives.  


Boiler LUVVVS to put words in other people's mouths and then argue against that...because he lacks the intellect to argue honestly.

 

What I actually said was that we can maintain debt as long as we also maintain the ability to pay for the interest on that debt...and if the benefits outweigh the costs (interest), then it's silly NOT to maintain such debt--yes, even "indefinitely," as Boilerboob simplistically and stupidly puts it (almost every corporation carries and has carried a certain amount of debt "indefinitely").

What laws are they breaking...but let's say that it's a grey area?  Did you object when the Clinton's did the same with "Hillary Care?  We all know the answer.  Since you didn't call foul then, shut up.

Edited on Feb 9, 2025 11:57am
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Boiler LUVVVS to put words in other people's mouths and then argue against that...because he lacks the intellect to argue honestly.

 

What I actually said was that we can maintain debt as long as we also maintain the ability to pay for the interest on that debt...and if the benefits outweigh the costs (interest), then it's silly NOT to maintain such debt--yes, even "indefinitely," as Boilerboob simplistically and stupidly puts it (almost every corporation carries and has carried a certain amount of debt "indefinitely").


  You are asinine - do not "maintain" debt - remove it and use the money not spent on the interest for other things. Christ, you are one ignorant ass hole.

Originally posted by: Nines

Yeah, well. I don't assess it that way..at all. There will be an end to the profligate spending in some form; I just hope it's not catastrophic.


You lack the ability to argue honestly? "Profligate" in whose eyes? YOURS??? "Into the abyss"? Such melodrama!!!! EEEEEK!!!!

 

You conservitards have to learn, even in rudimentary fashion, that there's nothing intrinsically wrong with government spending. If you don't have government spending, you have Somalia. Very little government spending there. It must be a veritable paradise! Likewise, debt is only a BAD THING if the cost of carrying that debt exceeds the benefit gained from acquiring said debt--wouldn't you agree (if you're honest, you should)? For instance, Biden's infrastructure bill includes trillions in expenditures that must be financed by debt--but isn't it worth it (and pleeze, let's not have any stupid debate about sustainable energy right now)?

 

There won't be an end to government spending unless there is an end to the government (quite possible if the Turd keeps on living). Any reduction will be gradual and incremental, not melodramatically catastrophic. Stop being a lock-step conservative for a moment or two and look at the situation realistically. Conservitards have been bleating doom and gloom since WWII. Then they vote for tax cuts that exacerbate the problem they bleat about.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

What laws are they breaking...but let's say that it's a grey area?  Did you object when the Clinton's did the same with "Hillary Care?  We all know the answer.  Since you didn't call foul then, shut up.


If you have to ask what laws are they breaking...grey area, my ass. NO official, elected or unelected, has the power OR the authority to just march in and destroy entire government agencies. NO official, elected or unelected, has the power OR the authority to designate lackeys who can see individuals' private and confidential personal and financial information.

 

If Democrats did any of those things, you'd be blowing a gasket.

 

And no one cares about what happened with Hillary three decades ago. You may as well drop it.

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