Why do people flee from ICE?

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

I don't really know. Part of me feels it's because The federal government has been allowed to grow much larger and stronger than intended over the years. 

 

The federal government (unconstitutionally IMHO) is in a position of being able to control and withhold funding given to the states. States are scared to lose funding or to otherwise alienate the feds.

 

I don't believe the framers ever intended for the federal government to be funding the states, I think they fear this very thing. 

 

Constitution wasn't quite strong enough in its limitation of power to the executive but that's a different story altogether. 


I think the Founders were well aware that the federal government might be "funding the states" if some project that spanned,/benefited multiple states was undertaken. The Erie Canal comes to mind as an early example. There was also a federally funded (partially or fully) road that crossed the Cumberland Pass and went to the Ohio Valley. And of course later, the Transcontinental Railroad. That couldn't possibly have been funded by the individual states. Like: what if Nevada had refused to fund its portion?

 

I think that any federal government setup where the feds can tax the states would naturally result in federally funded projects and support of all kinds. And there's no way in hell we could have had the Westward Expansion without that.

Originally posted by: tom

These aren't steps but several differnent reasons to be deported.

 

In #1 that is a convicted criminal.  Felonies and misdeamonors are deportable offenses.  They get a hearing with their attorney in immigration court.  If the judge finds grounds that person is deportable.

 

The next are people being deported after a final order of deportation has been given.  The illegal getes a hearing with an attorney with an immigration judge.  If the judge determines there are grounds for deportation they get deported.  If the illegal doesn't show up for the hearing they forfeit their hearing rights.

 

In spite of what some people claim; nobody gets deported without a hearing. So they get due process.  And immigration courts are legal.

 


What about the "expediated" process where they go before a border agent instead of a judge? Do you feel that should be legal? 

 

Just to be clear. I am not against deportations per se. I would just prefer it be handled by the same style of judicial courts we use for every other crime. Deportation should be part of the sentencing process in a federal judicial court. 

 

 

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I think the Founders were well aware that the federal government might be "funding the states" if some project that spanned,/benefited multiple states was undertaken. The Erie Canal comes to mind as an early example. There was also a federally funded (partially or fully) road that crossed the Cumberland Pass and went to the Ohio Valley. And of course later, the Transcontinental Railroad. That couldn't possibly have been funded by the individual states. Like: what if Nevada had refused to fund its portion?

 

I think that any federal government setup where the feds can tax the states would naturally result in federally funded projects and support of all kinds. And there's no way in hell we could have had the Westward Expansion without that.


The Federal government certainly can make interstate roads.  It is required to build and maintain roads for the post office. Granting the public access to said roads and collecting use fees via gasoline taxes or something is quite reasonable. They can also arguably do so as a means to "regulate commerce among the states". Similar argument could be made for the other examples you gave. 

 

The federal government  can and should do things that benefit the several states. 

 

But that doesn't mean the states should become dependent on the federal government to function. They should be able to function, for the most part without federal money. 

 

If the states get their funding from the federal government then they are beholden to the federal government. If they get their funding from the people they are beholden to the people. 

 

 

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