Would Canada and Mexico prefer to trade with Pacifica or Trumpland?

The 25% tariffs that Trump is proposing is very alarming.  The premiers of each province will have to deal with that, if it comes to pass.

The last babble from the Orange Turd was actually 30%.

Can the individual premiers each set their own trade policies? I know that Canadian provinces have more autonomy than US states.

I think so.  B.C. is not affected as much as Ontario.  It will be devastating for the automobile manufacturing industry in Southern Ontario.  Alberta is more Trump friendly.  It sees opening for more pipelines to the U.S.

Yeah, I get that--but there won't be much oil flowing south through those pipelines at a 30 percent markup!

I had floated, earlier in this thread, the idea of the individual states working out their own trade policies with Canada and Mexico, in defiance of Trump's orders. They could refuse to collect or remit tariffs. Of course, Trump could send soldiers to enforce his trade policies, but that could easily blow up in his fat, ugly orange face. So maybe the provinces could do that, too?

I'm thinking particularly of B.C. Hydro--they generate gobs of surplus power when at full capacity. Perhaps a sweet deal with Washington state and Oregon. They send us electricity, we send them craft beer and apples.

Southern Ontario has always been joined at the hip with Detroit. The traffic across the international bridge to Windsor attests to that. I can't imagine anything so stupid or hurtful as that commerce being choked off.

You are absolutely right.  The tariffs will hurt everyone.  Trudeau is hoping that Trump will change his mind.  That's why he rushed down for dinner at Mar-a-Lago.  He wants to show that he has worked with Trump before  and is the best choice for leader of the country.

B.C. is closely aligned with Washington and Oregon.  We need Washington produce, without tariffs. I especially love the russet potatoes and apples.  

Trump will impose these tarrifs as long as it takes for Trump to get the desired results from Canada.  If it happens at all, it'll be short lived.

If Canada & Mexico want to avoid the tariffs just secure their borders. 

Problem solved 

You dumbass Trump slaves need to define "secure." What does that even mean? No crossing at all? No crossing except under heavily armed guard and surveillance? Fortified, minefields, machine gun towers? Stop everyone and thoroughly search their vehicles and interrogate them for hours?

We already have secure borders. We have no enemies at our borders. That's the ultimate security. Trump wants to make enemies out of our neighbors...the dumb, fat, orange fuckhead.

And guess what, stupid Tom--if the Turd wants to "punish" them for not fortifying our borders, they can punish us right back. "Problem solved"? My ass! Problem created...out of nothing!

Stupid, stupid, stupid, Trump-licking Tom.

So how can Canada stop US citizens from smuggling fentanyl back into the US? Isn't that the job of US Customs and Immigration?

And guess what, Boiler...if Trump imposes tariffs, they'll impose tariffs of their own. Trump can't bully them; they'll fight back.

It is often hard to believe kevin is this stupid.

We already have secure borders

Another stupid kevin lie.  Even the NY Times has admitted that the immigration was illegal.

After consulting Congressional Budget Office data, Times senior writer David Leonhardt reported that 2021 through 2023 had the highest pace of immigrant arrivals since the founding of the country. "Annual net migration — the number of people coming to the country minus the number leaving — averaged 2.4 million people from 2021 to 2023, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Total net migration during the Biden administration is likely to exceed eight million people," Leonhardt wrote.

Leonhardt also disclosed that these numbers include both legal and illegal immigration and cited a Goldman Sachs report that states that most of this influx are illegal immigrants.

So how can Canada stop US citizens from smuggling fentanyl back into the US?

The drugs are manufactured in both Canada and Mexico by drug cartels which is the responsibility of those countries.

Below is from Homeland Security hearings

Then there are the billions that the cartels make off of human smuggling.

Chief Patrol Agent John Modlin, Tucson Sector Q: So we might have hit on this already, but is it fair to say that all individuals who illegally cross the southwest border must go through the cartels?

A: At least in the Tucson Sector, absolutely everyone does. No one does without. We have experienced when people try to, and we’ve seen them beaten for trying to cross without paying the fees.

The cartels are also raking in historic profits from both drug and human smuggling, as well as human trafficking. As noted in the Committee’s report, the cartels were estimated to have made $13 billion in 2021 just off of human smuggling—and the number of individuals traveling through Mexico to the Southwest border has only increased since.

In February 2023, former Border Patrol Chief Rodney Scott told Congress the cartels “control the border today. And they control the border today under the Biden administration because of this mass migration to a level that they’ve never had.” Arizona Sen. Kyrsten Sinema told one local radio station in May, “The cartels are incredibly well-resourced and they’re very strategic, so they’re pushing people through different parts of the border at different times with different prices for different purposes, and they’re controlling what’s happening on the southern border, not the United States government.”

Then there are the 300,000 missing kids

A new Department of Homeland Security (DHS) report argues the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency (ICE) cannot account for unaccompanied immigrant children at the border. On Aug. 19, the DHS published a 14-page report revealing more than 32,000 unaccompanied children did not attend their immigration hearings between the fiscal years of 2019 and 2023. What’s more, nearly 300,000 of these kids that came across the southern border alone never even got a court date whatsoeve