Venetian/Palazzo, Offers, online or snail mail? UPDATES, if you have any New Info? Thx.

Sorry guys, LVA has been having a technical problem with my user ID, and my previous posts on this thread disappeared. Just got off the phone with Dale the webmaster, and hopefully it's been fixed. Here's a recap of the disappeared posts-

On the LVS conference call, the subject of comps at V/P came up. Here's the transcript from that call-

Mark Strawn - (analyst for Morgan Stanley)

Q: Just really quickly on Vegas, it looks like you guys have done some work on the promotional side. I'm guessing that perhaps some of that's on the comp room side. Maybe if you could give us any color there, and that's my last question.

Michael Leven- Las Vegas Sands COO

A: We have sort of changed our mix considerably over the last couple of months in Vegas. We have improved our room penetration, our group numbers for 2011 are basically on the books today compared to last year, like over double what they were at the same time. We experienced over 90,000 room nights in the month of January, which were significantly ahead of last year and we're still booking. We've actually increased that group room allotments. We've lowered our comp allotments considerably to get a better customer in, which may cause some short-term occupancy looks that looks down, but to the cash component to us is actually better.

Sheldon Adelson- Las Vegas Sands CEO

A: We know that the subject of comps has been played out all across Las Vegas, but we've taken a different position. We've essentially cut out all our comps except for the most highly rated players. No more packaging deals to try to be competitive with others. There's no more comp rooms given out. There is no more RFB. There's no more food and beverage. There's no shopping credits. There's no restaurant credits. There's no showroom credits. We're selling rooms, and we see that it's resulting in a substantial increase in cash income.

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Originally posted by: marcr
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I sure hope all the other casinos don't follow suit.


It isnt a viable option for places other then perhaps MGM though their facility is geared towards entertainment not conventions. V was and is fairly unique. The Sands Convention Center is an integral part of the property from back in the planning stages for the original V through now. Their bread and butter for many years were the conventions. To duplicate the success the "new" strategy might bring V/P and make it attractive to other casinos those casinos would need as extensive a convention facility and staff as The Sands which isnt very likely.

Many hotels/casinos can host the most elaborate of weddings, entertainment, even sporting events like boxing but their convention space would be limited to fairly minor groups and could not handle the major players V/P can with large trade groups meeting there.

Whether other places choose to cut back on offers remains to be seen but if they do it wont be based on V/P which is in a rather unique situation.


Isn't the Las Vegas Hilton somewhat similar with the Las Vegas Convention Center right next door? I've always gotten regular room and tournament offers from the LVH. Sure, it's off strip and not as swanky as the V/P but when all is said and done, a room is a room and as Mr. Curtis himself has said, "Eat sweet, Play sweet, but Sleep cheap."

So I put in a call to my "Player Development Rep". Ostensibly to ask a couple of questions. Yes, they do have a resort fee and they do charge it on comped rooms. The resort fee can be removed based on play. A review of my reservation shows 3 nights in a Luxury View Suite at Palazzo complimentary.


I think I am keeping it.


hope I take the V/P for $50 K while I am there. 5 Play STP 10 X multiplier dealt royal, here I come!
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Isn't the Las Vegas Hilton somewhat similar with the Las Vegas Convention Center right next door? I've always gotten regular room and tournament offers from the LVH. Sure, it's off strip and not as swanky as the V/P but when all is said and done, a room is a room and as Mr. Curtis himself has said, "Eat sweet, Play sweet, but Sleep cheap."


Sorry but no, not the same. V owns The Sands Convention Center and benefits financially directly from a convention held there. Further they can control which groups they book. While the Hilton benefits from being near the Las Vegas Convention Center, other then renting rooms due to convience, they do not gain any financial benefits from a convention there nor do they control what conventions are held. And, of course, The Sands Convention Center is physically connected to V with V being designed with that access in mind.




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Originally posted by: 12195d
Sheldon Adelson:
There's no more comp rooms given out. There is no more RFB. There's no more food and beverage. There's no shopping credits. There's no restaurant credits. There's no showroom credits. We're selling rooms...

Does he realize that he also has a casino to run? I understand that they do a lot of conventions, but I can't imagine that they think it's a good idea to basically chase everyone else out of their casino. Last I checked, slot machines make money for the place, too.
12195d WHO are you? that you have a transcript of the conversation with Adelson?

If its True, that V/P is kicking butt & taking names with their "selling" of rooms?
That's business yes. Making more of a profit? Well, good for you.....IF its true.

Its HOW they went about pulling the rug out from their Thousands.........yes........THOUSANDS
of LOYAL customers, and causing...........well, need I explain it again? I don't think so.

V/P played along like business as usual, milking their customers with hopes of attaining or
keeping their status at V/P. When all the while they KNEW they were going to STOP the
programs with NO warning. They Don't give a rats A$$.

Way ta' go Mr. Adelson. If I never see you drive by in your scooter again, it will be too soon.

I really HOPE that Other venues will be able to Surpass Sands Convention business.
Don't insult the rats, CLV! lol
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Originally posted by: Calif.Loves.Vegas
12195d WHO are you? that you have a transcript of the conversation with Adelson?

He said it was from the LVS [stockholders] Conference Call. I imagine that it's available to anyone who holds LVS (Las Vegas Sands -- the ticker symbol of the company) stock.
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Originally posted by: marcr
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Isn't the Las Vegas Hilton somewhat similar with the Las Vegas Convention Center right next door? I've always gotten regular room and tournament offers from the LVH. Sure, it's off strip and not as swanky as the V/P but when all is said and done, a room is a room and as Mr. Curtis himself has said, "Eat sweet, Play sweet, but Sleep cheap."


Sorry but no, not the same. V owns The Sands Convention Center and benefits financially directly from a convention held there. Further they can control which groups they book. While the Hilton benefits from being near the Las Vegas Convention Center, other then renting rooms due to convience, they do not gain any financial benefits from a convention there nor do they control what conventions are held. And, of course, The Sands Convention Center is physically connected to V with V being designed with that access in mind.


What I meant was, wouldn't the 2 properties be going after the same type of customer? The Hilton certainly tries to bring in the convention crowd, but also tries to bring in gamblers with promotions. It seems like this new "system" is designed to pump up the figures temporarily in preparation for a big stock sell off.
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Originally posted by: Calif.Loves.Vegas
12195d WHO are you? that you have a transcript of the conversation with Adelson?


As I said before, I'm an LVS stockholder AND a Gold card V/P player. If you remember me from the other thread, I was the one who gave you Tyler Bain's contact info. (Which I got from Sands investor relations).I'm just as pissed as you at the comps being pulled. I used to have 4 nights comped any time I wanted, and now nothing, so NO, it's NOT good for me (if I was the one you were referring to). I was just trying to post some useful information and shed some light on the comp situation from what I heard on the conference call. As for how I have a transcript of the call- LVS quarterly earnings were reported 2/3. I listened to the conference call live (investors can listen on lasvegassands.com). After the call, a transript is made available. You can see the entire transript here-

https://seekingalpha.com/article/250823-las-vegas-sands-ceo-discusses-q4-2010-earnings-call-transcript?part=qanda

About 1/3 of the way down the page, you'll see a question about comps from Mark Strawn (the analyst from Morgan Stanley), and Adelson and Leven's reply.
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