The Return of Reflection Bay

The Review Journal reported this morning that the owner of the Falls and Reflection bay courses at LLV plans to reopen RB by the end of the year. Arnold Palmer's course mgt co will run the Jack Nicklaus track. The sale took some extra time to gain rezoning to allow houses to be developed on parts of the Falls course. Cart paths will be used for walking/running. Price for the two courses was $6 million. I would guess the two clubhouses cost a bit more than that. No mention of what will become of the clubhouse at the Falls. It would make one hell of an upscale community center! Hopefully they'll offer fees attractive enough to draw golfers back. Guess we'll see.

Good Luck!
Ric at Joes
I'm glad to hear this. You hit it on the head with the fees comment - their rates were pretty outrageous. Even after the recession hit, they wanted something like $140 for a twilight rate in July. Always wanted to play that course, but couldn't see the point when there were so many other good options. After it closed, I was sorry that I'd never gotten to play it because I'd heard nothing but good reviews.

Fortunately I did get to play the Falls. Stopped there on a late July afternoon, and was stunned when they said I could play for something like $35. Might have been a super twilight rate, but still. Got around really quickly - the only real obstacle was the big daddy mountain sheep that came huffing down the 12th fairway. Damn near stepped on my ball. I think it was like a month later that they shut it down. Sorry to hear they won't be re-opening it, but not surprised.
Greens fees for both courses always amazed me. I understand all of the costs associated with putting the courses together, but if no one comes to your party, what's the sense. When we played the Falls, it was prime time and we only saw the couple behind us the whole round! I'm sure they were counting on all of the planned development for LLV to put them over the top. The back nine on the Falls was fun, especially the hole you described, but overall I preferred Reflection Bay. I'm pretty sure fees will be lower, but how much lower I don't know.

Good Luck!
Ric at Joes
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Originally posted by: joespoolhall
The Review Journal reported this morning that the owner of the Falls and Reflection bay courses at LLV plans to reopen RB by the end of the year. Arnold Palmer's course mgt co will run the Jack Nicklaus track. The sale took some extra time to gain rezoning to allow houses to be developed on parts of the Falls course. Cart paths will be used for walking/running. Price for the two courses was $6 million. I would guess the two clubhouses cost a bit more than that. No mention of what will become of the clubhouse at the Falls. It would make one hell of an upscale community center! Hopefully they'll offer fees attractive enough to draw golfers back. Guess we'll see.

Good Luck!
Ric at Joes


I stayed in LLV this weekend with my family for Easter. We had a great time. If was so good to see the course looking beautiful and green again.





Lake Las Vegas was wrong time wrong time on both fronts, real estate and high-end travel. In some regards, it is amazing anything is still standing. At a time when crap courses like Bali Hai were charging nearly four bills at peak, when that crappatch known as LVGC was ripping folks for north of a Ben for horrid conditioning and five-hour rounds, Reflection Bay was effectively a steal. A few concessions within the routing had to be made for housing, but overall, it was one of the best designs in town; my god, look what The Falls had to give up with that first re-design even after it had ceded a bit in the first place. That The Falls was so good out the chute says something about the x holes that we so wonderfully solid.

For the absurdity of golf prices in general in Vegas at the peak, Vegas had somehow maneuvered itself into a position as one of the better golf destinations on the planet, so of course pricing was going to follow. Shit, lotsa stuff is/was ridiculously overpriced up there. But the place at one point easily eclipsed Greater Palm Springs at the high end, and could nearly match Scottsdale at the peak, if not in breadth and depth from the mid-market up. In the American West, that mid-part of AZ always will kick Vegas' ass as a golf destination. But Vegas always will have something that no other area can offer.

I miss the Ritz, when the village had a true top-tier resort in it. And the various brands affixed to the other resort hotel have done a great job with a beautiful if not handicapped property. Will it ever be what it once nearly achieved? Doubtful. But they can get it back to some degree to notability.

And don't forget to play SouthShore!
I thought South Shore was a private track.

If not I may give it a try in 2 weeks when I'm out there.

We played Reflection Bay a while ago, it was a great place to golf.
Westin guests and Pacific Links members. Your host and/or your home course pro might be able to hook you up.
P.S. Only place I've had two eagles in a round.
Lake Las Vegas will make a come back in my opinion but it is still a long time out. The courses are gradually reopening, properties are selling, the hotels and casino have switched hands a few times, opened and closed and opened again. Currently the Casino is closed again which hurts the Village as whole but things are moving in a positive direction. I wouldn't expect any new building out there until prices recover and more standing inventory is sold. If it were to fully recover within 10 years I would be surprised. Are rates out there lower now that they have reopened?