"No more squares in Sports Betting?"

"No more squares in Sports Betting?" I have nothing against sean, or any others here as it seems they are obviously frustrated with...1) Neteller not being around, 2)2005 being long gone with the "soft#s" that they used to smash, 3) all the markets getting tougher, etc,etc. The [B]bottom line[/B] is if you do not work hard and evolve, then yes "real estate" might be a good option. But I can not stop thinking how funny it is to think that there are no more squares in this world. So I have included an instant classic conversation that happened just yesterday between my partner, Walter Sobchak (CFO of Dudesports Inc.) and an ex-Texas A/M lineman who is a "bettor" and a delivery boy for a "super sharp" book. Redneck bettor pulls up in a 4x4 jacked up diesel truck, with a sticker on the back that says "Howdy Damit". He has a Bud Light in his cup holder and a can of Copenhagen on his dashboard, along with a bag for us. Redneck bettor: Hi, are you Walter? Walter: Yup. Redneck: Well obviously you know or work for somebody that is very sharp if you were able to [B]actually win $$[/B] from this book. Walter: What do you mean, this book is soft. Redneck: I have a monster bet in the NBA tonight on the Lakers minus the points, who do you like? Walter: Uh, well the NBA lines are tight this time of year, we are not betting much in that area now, we like to play checkers, not chess. Redneck: Who do you work for? Walter: Nobody Redneck: You have to work for somebody like BW, I mean nobody wins at sports betting. Walter: Uh, OK if you say so, do you have the pkg? Redneck: Yes, here you go. I am also a bookie and I have a guy that bets 5k per game on every NBA game every night and lost $250k so far this year. The problem I have is that I like to bet for myself for the action, and I am broke. Walter: Sorry buddy, maybe you should just book and make $250K, I don't know what to tell you. Redneck: How about I give you a credit shop and I take a % (win or lose) of your action. I need some winners. Walter: No offense buddy, but I do not know you and TheDude, Smokey and I are just fine with our current operation. Redneck: Well, it does not matter anyways, sports is over in a few weeks...I mean besides baseball, and "[B]NOBODY beats baseball[/B]". You guys don't fuck with MLB, right? Walter: Um, yes we do. It is our most profitable sport. Redneck: No way, impossible. Walter: Well nice chatting with you, I need to roll back to the bowling alley, as we have a league game tonight. Redneck: If you reconsider, call me. Walter: Uh...yeah. End of conversation. Since our fiscal year ends in March here at Dudesports Inc., we always take a company photo each year which I have included for your viewing pleasure. [url]https://www.imdb.com/media/rm1912899584/ch0003521[/url] Good Luck

The Dude, to get a true picture of this conversation One would need to have experienced all that is College Station, Texas. Paul

[QUOTE=pstone;40664]One would need to have experienced all that is College Station, Texas. Paul[/QUOTE] Correct...and yes this story is 100% true.

good stuff. so, was he dipping at the time and spitting in the bud light can?

[QUOTE=hardrock;40667]good stuff. so, was he dipping at the time and spitting in the bud light can?[/QUOTE] Knowing aggies, it's a coinflip.

I am not saying it is impossible to win. I am saying it likely is no longer the most profitable thing out there for those with significant funds and limited hours. 5 years ago I could not make that statement.

The other question I have is where are you guys betting $10s of thousands of dollars? You have Pinny, Olympic sometimes at -110 and Cris at -110. Matchbook can be found. Just about everywhere else won't take a bet. I have more books with $100 or $250 limits or 30 second delays than I care to count.

[QUOTE=sean1;40671]The other question I have is where are you guys betting $10s of thousands of dollars? You have Pinny, Olympic sometimes at -110 and Cris at -110. Matchbook can be found. Just about everywhere else won't take a bet. I have more books with $100 or $250 limits or 30 second delays than I care to count.[/QUOTE] You only listed 3 screen books, The M will take a bet also.

The offscreen ones are great till they run off with your winnings... Doesnt happen that often, but it does happen enough to be a problem.

I don't think there is universal agreement at all that things are so much harder to win at this now. I think there are many people who will even go so far as to say it is easier. I won't say I'm one of them that says it is easier but more or less I'm neutral. (1) No question as a Nevada bettor I find the books faster to move their numbers. Either show a sense of urgency to make a bet or probably you won't get it. Fading the public, perhaps the economic slowdown has lessened the opportunities from where they were a few years ago in this area. The upshot to this is that perhaps at some point this area will improve. (2) As an online bettor--well--I'm not from the U.S. I do miss Neteller but there are other options. Are there for Americans? It looks like no there isn't. A significant impediment no doubt. But if one is a pro and not saying all are or need to be I would think this would just have to be an area that you need to come up with a solution. It probably involves beards and VPN's, etc. a headache but doable. As far as winning against them there are certainly some obvious promotions that may not come back. The Skybook free half point every day on basketball and football became free half point 2 days a week on football only and now not only can you not buy the half on 3 or 7 but no more 10, 14, etc. I can't say this was good news and probably many other things I don't know about have been reduced but it isn't the end as far as I'm concerned at winning out here. I absolutely do think that if you don't have Nevada you're operating with one hand tied behind your back. No doubt your handicapping skills need to be perhaps better than they were as compared to the past and if your betting just required you to only follow and pick off bad numbers I do think you do have less opportunity to make money. Going after basketball has always been the hardest of the pro games IMO. I'm not surprised at all that Dude and probably others have a lot of success at baseball. And I'm sure other specialists in hockey, golf, auto racing matchups have a very nice niche. Big money pros have to go at basketball because of the limits and their bankroll but are playing other pros as opposed to fewer pros like in football. The books don't get the same action and really just want to match one pro against another if they can. It can be a tough sport to really be betting with a good edge and it will show up in the results.