[QUOTE=Pachuca;4012]I wouldn't say those joints post weak numbers. Not that many places do anymore anyway, considering how clone it all is.[/QUOTE] If you bet (for Example as there are many others I could mention)Ras or Helmuts or Fezziks posted plays I would say they are betting into weak #s that the books post. Thats the main point of my post. P.S. You also posted: "There are originators who win "all the time?" Anyway, getting past that nonsense," This is where you lost any credibility you may have had.